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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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we're back with gene and Chris on the

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powerhouse this week we've got a lot to

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say about last week but before we do

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that you know we do talk quite often

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about the forums that forum Gotham Eric

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ascom you know that's the place where

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you ask questions of our guests and the

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advantage over just doing this on the

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phone as some radio shows do is that you

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can interact with other members and

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fine-tune your questions and get into

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other issues it becomes a more

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interactive way of communicating not

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just with us but with the guests and

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sometimes to guess themselves open up

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accounts in our forums so Chris all Beck

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has joined our forums and is willing to

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answer your questions in fact he was

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remarking there that because he lives in

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Madrid Spain he doesn't speak English as

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much as he used to so he welcomes the

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opportunity to maybe come back on the

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power cast in the near future so how

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about that Chris well that's a good

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thing we also see here that our forum

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members have all sorts of interests they

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talk about politics predictively they

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favorite films so for example one of our

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active participants in the forums is a

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gentleman from Germany Poulter worst and

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then he tells me he likes Gene Hackman

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films so we were having a back-and-forth

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discussion about his favorite Gene

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role he did an enemy of the state

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is that so much a film about our

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national security state if you watch

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Hackman you will see reality like 10

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enemy of the state also jon voight is in

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that so really really great cast great

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film I recommend you stream it if it's

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on Netflix it's just really interesting

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how scary it is and how it predicts the

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ability to do surveillance on everybody

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let's get back to last week's guest

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you know I don't know this weather I

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could say Chris that I was surprised

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about him about what he said in reading

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the book or a little disappointed

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because we know he's a pretty serious

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guy a straight shooter we know about his

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involvement in Malmstrom we know about

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the fact that he has appeared on

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national press conferences talking about

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his experience that of other people in

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the military asking for some kind of

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he was inducted by them and that's okay

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process he underwent to try to recover

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memories about it what do you think

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very rare over let's say the age of 30

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completely as a surprise because it kind

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of jogged my memory but you just got to

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experience that that that may indeed

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little bit more in depth in the future

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know or maybe have somebody out there

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a pretty straight ahead outlook on UFO

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abduction research we know for example

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with Salas Pete right about the subject

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hypnotized I believe by John Mac and

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a little bit out there such as millions

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hybrid kind of race and as such but I do

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Kimball famously saying that he would

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never want to be hypnotized by someone

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like a dr. David Jacobs because he's not

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a trained hypnotherapist what he's an

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suggestions and in actual requests to

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and the ignorance is bliss and all that

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for that and being someone who did have

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age I've you know I'm okay with that I

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quite a bit of conscious recollection of

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the experience which will be with me

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told at the end of my days but do I want

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to dig into that and find out more do I

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missing time I had in the Utah desert in

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the middle of bf nowhere not really I

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something or you know I just don't feel

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compelled to find out more I'm okay it's

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sleeping can of worms and I should point

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experiences and I've been skeptical of

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he abducted he was trying to drive that

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someday he'll calm down because he still

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life he'll calm down someday and tell us

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speaking of people who have things to

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tell us you've brought another special

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guest here someone who doesn't go on

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shows very often no he doesn't and Ron

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that's I've known him for 20 years

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almost now and he's actually moved down

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here to my part of central Arizona from

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Utah where he had retired from the

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aerospace industry he was the state

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director for Utah of course we are

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talking about Ron Regehr and just one of

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the sweetest teddy bear guys you'd ever

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want to meet he's just a wonderful

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friend and in off-the-charts brilliant

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he's extremely intelligent he's been

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involved in some of the most sensitive

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development projects within our space

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of the space program and he's been very

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crafty and has been able to talk about

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some of his work over the years and I

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really think he's gonna make a great

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guest and I'm looking forward to having

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him back on the show Ron Berger joining

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gene and Chris you're in the para cast

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so here's what happened I was placing an

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order online the site went down it took

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hours before it returned but I'd already

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placed the order with another company if

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your site goes down you could lose

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business and if you have a business or

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personal site you'll want to know it's

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easy to run and it will stay online at

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iWeb your site is hosted on one of the

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most reliable networks in the world talk

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to a sales rep at iWeb calm use the

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promo code tech night-owl for a special

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discount first game attack of the rock

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codes and it was a critically acclaimed

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success and now there's the coming of

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the protectors a former military

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intelligence man is contacted by a space

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woman in a dream a dream that turns out

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to be a nightmare because evil forces on

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our distant planet are planning to

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conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock OIG's

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and the coming of the protectors find

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out more at Rocko it's calm that's Rocko

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it's our Ock oids comm mics Tennyson

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fremitus resources and no time in

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history have precious metals been more

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important certainly not in my 22 years

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in the industry

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the dollars lost over 90% of its value

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in the last 60 years

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no fiat currency has ever survived the

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government printing presses ours is not

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a meal the time is now to be proactive

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1-866 to 237 extension one one six

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anything tied to the dollar is at risk

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CDs annuities 401 k's IRA stocks bonds

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you name it so decide do you want to

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leave a legacy of wealth or debt for

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your family the choice is yours call me

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at one eight hundred six eight six to

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237 extension one one six that's one

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eight hundred six eight six two two

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three seven extension one one six be

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proactive not reactive call

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my TV the more cable TV rates go up the

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better digital satellite TV looks say

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goodbye to the Cable Guy and get more of

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your favorite channels than 100% digital

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quality for less money

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call 185 905 my TV sign up for packages

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starting as low as $19.99 and there's no

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equipment to buy you get free HDTV

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the spring of 2010 and he brought on

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lots of interesting fascinating guests

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and you were somebody with lots of

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since your first appearance on the show

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and I was hoping here before we get down

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and dirty into what's going on maybe you

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could quickly recite for our listeners

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first how you got involved in UFOs was

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it a personal experience or just reading

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about it and then we can get into your

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aerospace background so Ron welcome back

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to the para cast let's find out where

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did it begin with you they can't back in

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the fifties I don't know how many your

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audience members the audience going to

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remember the cheesy class-b Saturday

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matinee science fiction movies but that

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was walked off they started my hand is

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raised I was very honoured my father

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used to take me to the movie theaters

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over on Times Square in New York City

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where I was in Wichita Kansas we can get

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in for 7up soda pop bottle cap or uh I

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think it was they Roman Hill brand

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rapper either while those would get us

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into a Saturday matinee there was a and

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I just fell in love with some of the

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early serials always leaving the key

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role and alerts and then the following

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we could go there and find out it really

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wasn't as bad as his look to me always

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had a reasonable way to get out of it

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but it was that was long enough he

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really started interest isn't there was

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our men from the moon and one the

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villains was young Leonard Nimoy I

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terrible the acting was worse oh yeah

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sparklers on a bottle that they split

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around on a wire and the sparklers were

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supposed to emulate the rock exhaust but

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it was good I think they could resurrect

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those they're bringing back to make a

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fortune off those but that was what got

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me started and then the seat had already

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implanted when in October 57 the the

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Soviets launched Sputnik and that was

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sort of turn related Joe hits something

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in space they got it something that we

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don't have the Soviets was now the

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Russians or those aliens whoever the

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demons are they are alien whatever they

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are anyway they have something Pleiss

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pastor Walker the powers how do they do

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that why did he staff and that was when

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I decided I wasn't gonna left quote

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those damn cops unquote so I put then

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that on I decided I was going to become

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an aeronautical engineer I didn't know

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what one was but I've heard the term and

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I wanted to people that off you

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started now getting interested in UFOs

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almost all early what I've got the major

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kills early works that woman was who was

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a scientist I almost thought that was

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science fiction the way of read it was

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so fascinating to but I've actually

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other than one book I ran across I'm

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still unpacked proposing

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canticle for Leibowitz I don't recall

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ever reading the science fiction book I

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just for some reason I didn't want

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allow by by the beat contaminated if you

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will so that later on I would confuse it

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that's something I read or something

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guys with this door something somebody

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Tolkien was the plaintiff truth that was

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just so if he goes take mercy on my part

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never really been a fan of science

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fiction go for that all the time just an

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interesting point occurs to me as you

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say that later on when you were working

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with MUFON investigating UFO cases did

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you consider in talking to witnesses

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whether they had been precondition or

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exposed to science fiction in making

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observations about what they saw one of

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the things we always try to do are never

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trying to get beyond your perspective is

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pleased with this but you know ask

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questions that they direct their answer

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and so that would not be a direct

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question but it was this remind you of

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anything and that that sort of question

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as opposed to more directly about

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science fiction but yes so it was it's a

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fine line and I think that's one of the

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main things me one of the things we try

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to teach the investigators MUFON is

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should never lead the witness to listen

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carefully and try to ascertain what's

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really going on because a lot of people

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good witnesses tend to want to make some

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interviewer happy so to speak they wanna

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can't the interviewers a the answer that

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they think the interviewer wants to hear

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it so so first I'm sure swishes same

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thing would you ask the witness describe

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something it's so important not to say

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Wow well I'm getting busy a speak that's

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where one day is even shift your eyes

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and funny like which when they come up

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with the point because a lot of times

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they'll be shot in enthusiasm the whole

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bitter truth shot yeah you need to use

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the the Jack Webb approach from the old

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drag that the facts ma'am just the facts

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Oh

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back web was the greatest actor in terms

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of the stone face oh he was amazing he

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thought that was a difficult thing to

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learn but it just take too long and I

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just finished up writing Hall was it's

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been a year now a sixth edition of this

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Buffon field investigator spangled 300

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some odd pages that that never really

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had a cohesive set of instructions

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coupled with procedures and so I wrote

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that and maybe set up and got that mr. -

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and that's where we outline some of

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these techniques and things to do things

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not now we'll get to the transition from

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reading about UFOs to becoming an

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aerospace engineer in a moment but in

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producing this manual for MUFON

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investigators how do you treat

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abductions abduction we were just

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talking in the manual about

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investigating abduction and again it's

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an extremely sensitive area with the

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abductees some of them just really do

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not wish to discuss it at all and so

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it's a critical energy is it's almost

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like I would advance I've never done

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buzzing our victims many of them are not

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aware their victims and think that the

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greatest thing that ever happened to the

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petitioner like well I tell you if it

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happened to me I'd be running for the

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streets and screaming or something get

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me out of here

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it's one of the things I would read ever

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happening let me do our break here we

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have Ron Revere joining gene and Chris

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Ron rigged ear training Jean and Chris

579
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in the para cast this week we talked

580
00:27:28,450 --> 00:27:26,960
about runs background in UFO research we

581
00:27:30,610 --> 00:27:28,460
haven't really got into his work thing

582
00:27:32,740 --> 00:27:30,620
yet but since he hadn't worked on the

583
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:32,750
MUFON investigators manual I wanted to

584
00:27:37,509 --> 00:27:35,450
get into the subject of UFO abductions

585
00:27:40,090 --> 00:27:37,519
so that's an interesting thing that you

586
00:27:42,820 --> 00:27:40,100
mentioned here that some people with

587
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whom this happens they consider it

588
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something good even if they were

589
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kidnapped or supposedly kidnapped from

590
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the sanctity of their homes taken aboard

591
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:52,299
a spaceship subjected to very primitive

592
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medical experiments and that's good I'm

593
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wondering here it turns out that a lot

594
00:28:04,269 --> 00:28:01,370
of what the experience is hid behind

595
00:28:05,700 --> 00:28:04,279
what its moments of balls memory or a

596
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:05,710
mask

597
00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:08,960
they're actually event they don't really

598
00:28:15,370 --> 00:28:12,710
recall that sometimes comes down as a

599
00:28:17,220 --> 00:28:15,380
result of hypnosis sometimes both trauma

600
00:28:21,220 --> 00:28:17,230
will reveal it

601
00:28:25,389 --> 00:28:21,230
sometimes we've found the human body has

602
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:25,399
an amazing muscle memory his will and a

603
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:28,250
certain touch will trigger all of those

604
00:28:34,539 --> 00:28:31,250
memories is it covered by this false

605
00:28:37,090 --> 00:28:34,549
memory illusion that the people want to

606
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implant on people and all the real

607
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memory system flooding back that's why

608
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:43,789
it certainly hits touchy-touchy thing I

609
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would recommend that unless for that

610
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tells one receives really special I

611
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won't say trainee but education that

612
00:29:03,580 --> 00:28:59,510
they avoid attempting to discuss

613
00:29:05,919 --> 00:29:03,590
abductions with people's favorite area

614
00:29:07,810 --> 00:29:05,929
no you quit if I'm wrong but didn't

615
00:29:09,850 --> 00:29:07,820
Raymond Fowler write the original

616
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investigators manual and of course he's

617
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famous for his his interrupted journey

618
00:29:16,810 --> 00:29:14,600
isn't he it wasn't either one who wrote

619
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the Betty hill no that was John fuller

620
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John fuller oh I get Raymond Fowler and

621
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John fuller mixed up simply recall much

622
00:29:26,900 --> 00:29:24,630
about abductions in the original man

623
00:29:30,380 --> 00:29:26,910
there there was that that was what the

624
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original Daniel and the Supreme Nations

625
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near - were all performed under the

626
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auspices of our founder Walter Andrus

627
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and he did not want to get involved in

628
00:29:49,250 --> 00:29:46,740
abductions at all they were an asset to

629
00:29:52,340 --> 00:29:49,260
him because they were both unscientific

630
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:52,350
and he was of the firm belief that it

631
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was all hoped up and but you can - you

632
00:30:01,040 --> 00:29:58,640
know Billy Bob and Cyrus get not a

633
00:30:03,950 --> 00:30:01,050
flying saucer with a little green man

634
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:03,960
and going to the planet Venus overnight

635
00:30:10,460 --> 00:30:06,480
having dinner with the Grand Poobah and

636
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:10,470
flying back and see how the earth was

637
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going to be destroyed if we just clean

638
00:30:18,170 --> 00:30:15,810
up the ozone hole and marry arctos for

639
00:30:21,260 --> 00:30:18,180
something that was a bizarre period of

640
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:21,270
time as I'm sure some of the older

641
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people recall I think that's it the

642
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:26,010
science fiction movies of the fifties

643
00:30:33,220 --> 00:30:30,450
mixed up with the abduction crowded in

644
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:33,230
so wall just refused to even consider

645
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:36,290
abductions as part of the UFO repertoire

646
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:38,970
how long have you been a member of MUFON

647
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when did you first join oh wow so you

648
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remember move on when you were involved

649
00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:55,200
in the old space Oh interesting

650
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okay I didn't realize that I was quite

651
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active and move on Orange County which

652
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just uh

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we start out once once every two weeks

654
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and collecting up fast if I have to

655
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collect monies for paying the telephone

656
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bill to keep the hotline oh but later on

657
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with became one of the largest both

658
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driving chapters that all of the full

659
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font but still is yeah that's of the

660
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chapter that the current director of

661
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full font besides with the and

662
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yeah he's a lousy guy rocky pass on a

663
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case

664
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most part that says it's a good

665
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organization your organization you get

666
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that bait people involved there's going

667
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to be some disagreement soon of

668
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:50,910
confusion then even dissension on

669
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occasion chance both of spinning hands

670
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as a help solid pieces we're getting all

671
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those little things let's move back into

672
00:32:05,870 --> 00:32:02,880
your background before we get back into

673
00:32:08,539 --> 00:32:05,880
UFO research now you became an aerospace

674
00:32:11,780 --> 00:32:08,549
engineer was this in any way influenced

675
00:32:14,620 --> 00:32:11,790
by your interest in UFOs or something

676
00:32:20,150 --> 00:32:14,630
that you just wanted to do it was more

677
00:32:22,340 --> 00:32:20,160
the Soviet launches but I've always had

678
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:22,350
an interest in aircraft high speed

679
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:25,200
aircraft that was and there's they're

680
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:27,210
faster the powers how do they do that

681
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:30,559
and that was part of it but the actual

682
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:35,970
real trigger that Sputnik so that was

683
00:32:41,659 --> 00:32:38,970
seven folks really triggered by I'm

684
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gotta get going and get something done

685
00:32:48,140 --> 00:32:45,630
along this point okay so what kind of

686
00:32:58,909 --> 00:32:48,150
achievements did you have in your career

687
00:33:02,450 --> 00:32:58,919
what kind of work did you do that's a

688
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:02,460
heck of a way to start well I was I was

689
00:33:08,030 --> 00:33:04,799
just lucky to be in the right place at

690
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:08,040
the right time mister that was when in

691
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:10,799
aerospace there was such a shortage of

692
00:33:16,220 --> 00:33:13,530
Engineers if you had a pulse

693
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:16,230
I could smell engineering or what almost

694
00:33:23,570 --> 00:33:20,370
it was it was the glory days at so I was

695
00:33:28,299 --> 00:33:23,580
working Douglas Aircraft later Donald

696
00:33:30,409 --> 00:33:28,309
Douglas part of Boeing aircraft but

697
00:33:34,330 --> 00:33:30,419
doing the interface wiring I was

698
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:34,340
responsible for routing wires that's uh

699
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:38,130
not very glamorous but somewhat

700
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:41,730
important and then at the same time on

701
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:43,679
weekends I was having a good time

702
00:33:52,669 --> 00:33:47,490
working on an old freakin thing the

703
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,679
airport just 54 fabric boss blue

704
00:33:57,409 --> 00:33:54,480
loss of the frame are you ready to

705
00:33:59,779 --> 00:33:57,419
restore and this old guy there now

706
00:34:02,720 --> 00:33:59,789
welders have a pair of coveralls was

707
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:02,730
there and about the third week we had

708
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:03,690
lunch together

709
00:34:07,970 --> 00:34:06,090
and during of course discussion we

710
00:34:11,059 --> 00:34:07,980
thought up see we both worked at it

711
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:11,069
unless we both work behind the beach and

712
00:34:16,669 --> 00:34:14,970
he said he designed this racer and there

713
00:34:18,980 --> 00:34:16,679
was I like to see the blueprints and I

714
00:34:21,230 --> 00:34:18,990
said I'd love to come on up to my office

715
00:34:24,799 --> 00:34:21,240
bumpy and I'll show you it well turns

716
00:34:30,319 --> 00:34:24,809
out his office was on the top for the

717
00:34:33,799 --> 00:34:30,329
plant and painlessly vice president

718
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:33,809
president of that facility so while we

719
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:36,690
were up there going over the blueprints

720
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:39,119
and like little kid thought it was so

721
00:34:43,250 --> 00:34:40,169
much fun

722
00:34:45,049 --> 00:34:43,260
a good secretary called in and took your

723
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:45,059
10 o'clock or something like that is

724
00:34:49,970 --> 00:34:47,970
here and it turned out that the director

725
00:34:53,569 --> 00:34:49,980
of bands so story bus they were totally

726
00:34:55,790 --> 00:34:53,579
astronauts and they were interested in

727
00:35:00,680 --> 00:34:55,800
doing figure I want to do with these

728
00:35:03,609 --> 00:35:00,690
what would be surplus Saturn's or P the

729
00:35:05,900 --> 00:35:03,619
third stage of Saturn Apollo Saturn five

730
00:35:09,069 --> 00:35:05,910
because I our missions have been

731
00:35:12,349 --> 00:35:09,079
successful killed about you remember how

732
00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:12,359
our Rockets always crashed and there was

733
00:35:18,740 --> 00:35:15,089
a there's been several TV shows the show

734
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:18,750
these early rocket launches tumbling

735
00:35:23,049 --> 00:35:21,599
over and falling down exploding aureus

736
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:23,059
flames

737
00:35:28,250 --> 00:35:25,650
so I find it cold the astronauts were

738
00:35:29,780 --> 00:35:28,260
heroes because somebody honesty would be

739
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:29,790
close there I think that was like

740
00:35:35,809 --> 00:35:32,480
thinking out a stick of dynamite so

741
00:35:38,299 --> 00:35:35,819
anyway they were successful with our

742
00:35:40,940 --> 00:35:38,309
boat launch just so we planned on the

743
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:40,950
other planning was not planned on booth

744
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:42,240
because with the planning was that we

745
00:35:46,609 --> 00:35:43,530
would probably loose

746
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:46,619
three launch vehicles three missions

747
00:35:53,299 --> 00:35:50,010
would fail and that's why we felt so

748
00:35:55,549 --> 00:35:53,309
many of them and then when they didn't

749
00:35:58,339 --> 00:35:55,559
fail I only got these leftovers what do

750
00:36:02,030 --> 00:35:58,349
we do with them no but that was what the

751
00:36:04,700 --> 00:36:02,040
purpose meat was and I was told this

752
00:36:06,289 --> 00:36:04,710
stick garage might enjoy this well I did

753
00:36:09,769 --> 00:36:06,299
they called my boss

754
00:36:13,339 --> 00:36:09,779
that for then on I was working for him

755
00:36:17,329 --> 00:36:13,349
for oh I guess with a couple of funds

756
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which is kind of kind of cool I got to

757
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go over the head of the line at the

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duplicated machine which was a big they

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got to work on and help develop cars

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843
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844
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began to do a lot of research into why

845
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even if I had a pretty good-sized meal

846
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that I was still starving and my

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848
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that most of the soils that we grow our

849
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crops on here in the United States and

850
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across the industrialized world are

851
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almost completely depleted of almost all

852
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853
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870
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hello this is for Helen Kiley and you're

871
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listening to the podcast the gold

872
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standard a paranormal radio

873
00:41:31,790 --> 00:41:27,830
[Music]

874
00:41:34,250 --> 00:41:31,800
Ranma gear is talking about working on

875
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:34,260
the Skylab this part of his

876
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:36,480
distinguished career in aerospace Ron

877
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:40,650
yes now that was our first space station

878
00:41:47,150 --> 00:41:44,970
that was the hall of the s for being the

879
00:41:52,210 --> 00:41:47,160
third stage of the Saturn Apollo moon

880
00:41:56,990 --> 00:41:52,220
rocket and it would converted that to a

881
00:41:58,910 --> 00:41:57,000
habitable quarters environment that the

882
00:42:02,510 --> 00:41:58,920
astronauts could live inside this

883
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:02,520
vehicle for a period of time without

884
00:42:08,300 --> 00:42:04,890
wearing of all T covers in spacesuits

885
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:08,310
and so that was our goal which we

886
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:12,720
achieved and it was a little bit

887
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:19,130
embarrassing because the Skylab had two

888
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:23,130
wings deploy - we'll pick solar array

889
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:26,250
panels to give it power and one of the

890
00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:30,450
we failed to deploy and of course it has

891
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:34,710
a quote right please which really brings

892
00:42:45,970 --> 00:42:36,570
a lot of hassles about the staunch

893
00:42:57,740 --> 00:42:52,190
plane once again it was a very

894
00:43:00,140 --> 00:42:57,750
successful watch it was aborted hurt

895
00:43:02,270 --> 00:43:00,150
because of the lack of sufficient

896
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:02,280
generation power becomes a failure the

897
00:43:09,650 --> 00:43:06,090
solar race but it was it showed that it

898
00:43:11,630 --> 00:43:09,660
paved the way for our later Space

899
00:43:15,890 --> 00:43:11,640
Station International Space Station is

900
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:15,900
still working and it was also a point of

901
00:43:21,230 --> 00:43:18,570
of kind of an early effort at the top

902
00:43:24,740 --> 00:43:21,240
because then we at one point dock with

903
00:43:26,650 --> 00:43:24,750
the Soyuz was that was that was that the

904
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:26,660
one that we docked with the Soviets and

905
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:31,410
it was yeah that was pretty early on

906
00:43:35,450 --> 00:43:32,640
that was back when the Cold War was

907
00:43:39,130 --> 00:43:35,460
still hot and heavy oh yeah yeah we were

908
00:43:41,820 --> 00:43:39,140
still fighting that one interesting

909
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:41,830
because a lot of us in

910
00:43:51,150 --> 00:43:45,040
in the business this care about the Cold

911
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:51,160
War and per se because the Soviets got a

912
00:43:55,950 --> 00:43:53,650
lot of the same scientists that work

913
00:44:00,240 --> 00:43:55,960
shoulder-to-shoulder pm+ they were

914
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:00,250
different broth that we wanted to kill

915
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:02,170
him this always got there and we took

916
00:44:07,050 --> 00:44:03,850
those during World War two when we split

917
00:44:08,540 --> 00:44:07,060
up the food World War two we were we

918
00:44:12,450 --> 00:44:08,550
were all buddies

919
00:44:15,300 --> 00:44:12,460
kissing until everybody came home but

920
00:44:18,930 --> 00:44:15,310
realized what had happened still there

921
00:44:20,730 --> 00:44:18,940
was a little fan of jealousy but at the

922
00:44:25,710 --> 00:44:20,740
same time missions

923
00:44:28,380 --> 00:44:25,720
common goal so shows of the boom oh so I

924
00:44:31,260 --> 00:44:28,390
found uh I guess you could say the

925
00:44:34,830 --> 00:44:31,270
professional level at the working man's

926
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:34,840
level whatever we we're still worth

927
00:44:38,780 --> 00:44:37,450
trying to work together as we achieve I

928
00:44:41,940 --> 00:44:38,790
thought it was pretty good achievement

929
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:41,950
now I have a big question that we always

930
00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:44,410
ask here about the space program what

931
00:44:51,570 --> 00:44:48,250
happened why did all the development

932
00:44:53,850 --> 00:44:51,580
kind of stop in terms of getting to

933
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:53,860
other planets and everything yeah we

934
00:44:58,890 --> 00:44:56,530
kind of envisioned by the 2001 we'd be

935
00:45:02,430 --> 00:44:58,900
on Mars or Jupiter or something not just

936
00:45:06,530 --> 00:45:02,440
because of 2001 a Space Odyssey so it

937
00:45:09,060 --> 00:45:06,540
seems as if after that initial flurry of

938
00:45:11,730 --> 00:45:09,070
development in the space program after

939
00:45:15,390 --> 00:45:11,740
the moon flights we never had that

940
00:45:17,220 --> 00:45:15,400
intensity of interest there anymore so

941
00:45:20,340 --> 00:45:17,230
the combination of things primarily

942
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:20,350
punished we had a little strip up in a

943
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:24,970
history called the Vietnam War after I

944
00:45:32,580 --> 00:45:28,770
left the first very first job I had was

945
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:32,590
contracting up for the project

946
00:45:43,860 --> 00:45:39,760
two hundred and inch diameters solid

947
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:43,870
rocket single-stage-to-orbit booster and

948
00:45:51,380 --> 00:45:47,920
that was 260 it's just a hypothesis this

949
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:51,390
is the rocket that's over 20 foot wide I

950
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:54,730
think oh it's so big we dug a hole in

951
00:46:00,310 --> 00:45:55,490
the ground

952
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:00,320
as the rocket would face downward

953
00:46:05,650 --> 00:46:02,210
because we've not put the rocket in that

954
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:05,660
hole in order to test it because we

955
00:46:11,020 --> 00:46:08,570
didn't know for sure how to build a

956
00:46:14,380 --> 00:46:11,030
structure fast enough and strong enough

957
00:46:15,580 --> 00:46:14,390
to support to be to withstand the thrust

958
00:46:21,420 --> 00:46:15,590
the raw fish

959
00:46:23,950 --> 00:46:21,430
so dr. Halas let a point straight out so

960
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:23,960
that was canceled because of the Vietnam

961
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:26,450
War we didn't have any footage that was

962
00:46:34,900 --> 00:46:28,640
the biggest problem of everything was

963
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:34,910
funding and it's unfortunate for moon

964
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:38,090
launches that President Kennedy had

965
00:46:45,790 --> 00:46:42,170
shared his vision and the American

966
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:45,800
people bought into it and that was that

967
00:46:53,830 --> 00:46:50,050
was really our our impetus monies

968
00:46:56,490 --> 00:46:53,840
public's stated we were - people vote

969
00:46:59,370 --> 00:46:56,500
and return them safely within the decade

970
00:47:02,170 --> 00:46:59,380
and I think if Kennedy would have lived

971
00:47:07,260 --> 00:47:02,180
once the war would have probably not

972
00:47:10,900 --> 00:47:07,270
been his because it was and would have

973
00:47:13,540 --> 00:47:10,910
propelled the Space Age on a much longer

974
00:47:17,349 --> 00:47:13,550
course a completely different from where

975
00:47:19,690 --> 00:47:17,359
we live so your feeling here is that if

976
00:47:21,099 --> 00:47:19,700
Kennedy had survived we would not have

977
00:47:23,230 --> 00:47:21,109
increased our involvement in the Vietnam

978
00:47:26,290 --> 00:47:23,240
War which is a very common impression

979
00:47:30,430 --> 00:47:26,300
and also that our space program would

980
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:30,440
not have gone as it did where after the

981
00:47:37,090 --> 00:47:33,890
moon program well we had the Space

982
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:37,100
Shuttle but none of the intensity now do

983
00:47:41,770 --> 00:47:38,960
you think that was a big mistake though

984
00:47:43,390 --> 00:47:41,780
is there any way we could resurrect the

985
00:47:46,900 --> 00:47:43,400
space program I mean we're living in a

986
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:46,910
time of now austerity where we it's

987
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:48,490
believed the government spends too much

988
00:47:53,290 --> 00:47:50,960
let's just try to funnel it out in the

989
00:47:55,180 --> 00:47:53,300
private industry let them figure it out

990
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:55,190
why should we be involved except maybe

991
00:48:08,380 --> 00:48:04,660
Piccolo's planning on having a space

992
00:48:10,110 --> 00:48:08,390
hotel if you will I believe it's gates

993
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:10,120
Apple launch

994
00:48:18,550 --> 00:48:14,930
next year sometime early and that would

995
00:48:22,420 --> 00:48:18,560
be a big stepping stone on getting the

996
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:22,430
planets but it is a tough challenge of

997
00:48:27,330 --> 00:48:22,880
it

998
00:48:31,690 --> 00:48:27,340
and there has to be a sufficient reward

999
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:31,700
for both our enticement to get people

1000
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:34,730
interested in wanting to go in just one

1001
00:48:41,530 --> 00:48:37,040
thing to the super specific pack but

1002
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:41,540
what when people are concerned about of

1003
00:48:49,780 --> 00:48:45,970
Ebola weather got it the border security

1004
00:48:53,230 --> 00:48:49,790
Isis I mean we've got a lot of pilots on

1005
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:53,240
our places that tend don't make people

1006
00:49:00,060 --> 00:48:56,480
say well that's but what the plan is but

1007
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:00,070
by golly I think we should be consider

1008
00:49:05,790 --> 00:49:03,680
doing this first whatever this is and

1009
00:49:08,410 --> 00:49:05,800
we've got a lot of this is on our plate

1010
00:49:12,070 --> 00:49:08,420
and I think it's time for a little more

1011
00:49:14,830 --> 00:49:12,080
stable at we had a little or the stock

1012
00:49:16,990 --> 00:49:14,840
part of this package right now has all

1013
00:49:19,420 --> 00:49:17,000
week that makes it very difficult to win

1014
00:49:24,820 --> 00:49:19,430
somebody's gonna take me three trillion

1015
00:49:28,660 --> 00:49:24,830
dollars to have somebody plant a flag on

1016
00:49:30,850 --> 00:49:28,670
ours well let's find the 2.2 trillion

1017
00:49:32,770 --> 00:49:30,860
that Donald Rumsfeld announced was

1018
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:32,780
missing from the Department of Defense

1019
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:41,810
on well I also run I have a question

1020
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:44,210
here from a first-time poster this is

1021
00:49:48,430 --> 00:49:46,370
his first time he's posted at forum dr.

1022
00:49:53,860 --> 00:49:48,440
Perik asked calm he calls himself

1023
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:53,870
roadkill and I'm not sure why but he

1024
00:49:57,310 --> 00:49:55,520
says since you have a history of being

1025
00:50:00,010 --> 00:49:57,320
involved with space exploration and

1026
00:50:02,850 --> 00:50:00,020
surveillance as a aerospace engineer

1027
00:50:06,220 --> 00:50:02,860
what is your take on this private space

1028
00:50:08,230 --> 00:50:06,230
company push for taking over NASA's job

1029
00:50:10,990 --> 00:50:08,240
and do you think that they up-and-coming

1030
00:50:12,570 --> 00:50:11,000
business of space tourism such as

1031
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:12,580
described with Robert Bigelow the

1032
00:50:19,180 --> 00:50:17,090
proposed hotel and Virgin Galactic do

1033
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:19,190
you think it will ever force open the

1034
00:50:22,550 --> 00:50:21,410
door for disclosure you think that this

1035
00:50:24,510 --> 00:50:22,560
might uh

1036
00:50:30,290 --> 00:50:24,520
inadvertently play a part in the

1037
00:50:34,319 --> 00:50:30,300
disclosure process it could very well

1038
00:50:38,540 --> 00:50:34,329
maintains for four years anybody cares

1039
00:50:42,420 --> 00:50:38,550
Felicita that most people don't anymore

1040
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:42,430
but we won't have to disclose you for

1041
00:50:47,940 --> 00:50:44,530
quite a while and the reason is nobody

1042
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:47,950
really fought the aliens don't want it

1043
00:50:52,620 --> 00:50:51,010
because if they didn't just still try

1044
00:50:55,849 --> 00:50:52,630
saying those land on the White House

1045
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:55,859
lawn and what would pay fines for them

1046
00:51:02,339 --> 00:50:59,440
the government obviously doesn't want to

1047
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:02,349
disclose it else they would and there

1048
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:04,240
has to be some motivation and I don't

1049
00:51:09,780 --> 00:51:06,160
know of any motivation to get them to

1050
00:51:11,970 --> 00:51:09,790
disclose it and the people don't want

1051
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:11,980
they're more concerned about shiny

1052
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:14,050
little cars running around some oval

1053
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:17,200
tracks on Sunday and think that on

1054
00:51:22,220 --> 00:51:19,119
little piece those that play the big

1055
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:22,230
skin around it and hitting each other

1056
00:51:27,780 --> 00:51:24,640
let's get into more of this in our next

1057
00:51:34,890 --> 00:51:27,790
segment with Ron Regehr joining gene and

1058
00:51:40,900 --> 00:51:37,589
[Music]

1059
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:40,910
GCN proudly sponsored by unseen now calm

1060
00:51:46,829 --> 00:51:42,770
find out how to stop big brother and his

1061
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:46,839
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1062
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:49,970
hi this is Larry Smith sometimes bad

1063
00:51:53,890 --> 00:51:52,010
things happen to good people like when

1064
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:53,900
the jeweler ruined my ring and wouldn't

1065
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:55,520
do anything about it but when my

1066
00:51:59,290 --> 00:51:57,440
LegalShield attorney called him and told

1067
00:52:02,319 --> 00:51:59,300
him what my rights were I received a

1068
00:52:05,260 --> 00:52:02,329
check for over 20 $100 worry less and

1069
00:52:08,140 --> 00:52:05,270
live more with LS protection calm that's

1070
00:52:11,140 --> 00:52:08,150
LS protection calm or call eight five

1071
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:11,150
five three four zero save again eight

1072
00:52:15,970 --> 00:52:13,490
five five three four zero seven two

1073
00:52:16,450 --> 00:52:15,980
eight three results will vary from case

1074
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:16,460
to case

1075
00:52:21,130 --> 00:52:19,040
we the people grow cotton wheat fabric

1076
00:52:22,750 --> 00:52:21,140
engraving can bed strips and fibers to

1077
00:52:24,490 --> 00:52:22,760
protect from counterfeit and carding to

1078
00:52:24,940 --> 00:52:24,500
a private bank having a led back at

1079
00:52:26,740 --> 00:52:24,950
interest

1080
00:52:28,599 --> 00:52:26,750
forcing taxes to service debt this

1081
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:28,609
capitalism or was Jefferson correct when

1082
00:52:31,690 --> 00:52:30,079
stating a central bank issuing the

1083
00:52:32,829 --> 00:52:31,700
public currency is a greater menace to

1084
00:52:34,569 --> 00:52:32,839
the liberties of the people than a

1085
00:52:36,010 --> 00:52:34,579
standing army hi Ted I understand I'm

1086
00:52:37,839 --> 00:52:36,020
placing a free silver dollar in a book

1087
00:52:41,349 --> 00:52:37,849
that explains our monetary system call

1088
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:41,359
for your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time

1089
00:52:46,450 --> 00:52:44,569
to understand the system call 866 to 237

1090
00:52:51,250 --> 00:52:46,460
that's eight hundred six eight six two

1091
00:52:53,260 --> 00:52:51,260
two three seven for over five years

1092
00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:53,270
you've been hearing about the Berkey guy

1093
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:55,609
so you may know a few things about him

1094
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:58,010
for example you are well aware of the

1095
00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:00,079
superior quality and effectiveness of

1096
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:02,720
berkey water filters and accessories but

1097
00:53:06,730 --> 00:53:04,400
did you know the Burr Keys have had

1098
00:53:09,069 --> 00:53:06,740
independent lab tests done to prove just

1099
00:53:11,260 --> 00:53:09,079
how effective they are it's true and he

1100
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:11,270
can email you the test results just

1101
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:13,130
visit go Berkey com

1102
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:14,930
you may also know that the Berkey guy

1103
00:53:19,059 --> 00:53:16,970
has helped tens of thousands of people

1104
00:53:21,549 --> 00:53:19,069
get better prepared now here's something

1105
00:53:24,039 --> 00:53:21,559
you may not know go Berkey dot-com has

1106
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:24,049
amazing specials and deals all the time

1107
00:53:28,569 --> 00:53:26,240
on a wide variety of survival and

1108
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:28,579
preparedness products most ready to ship

1109
00:53:33,730 --> 00:53:31,280
same day visit the Berkey guy at go

1110
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:33,740
Bertie calm and be sure to click the red

1111
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:36,319
products on sale now button you can

1112
00:53:40,510 --> 00:53:38,720
always call toll free eight seven seven

1113
00:53:42,910 --> 00:53:40,520
eight eight six three six five three

1114
00:53:46,299 --> 00:53:42,920
again that's eight seven seven eight

1115
00:53:47,450 --> 00:53:46,309
eight six three six five three go Berkey

1116
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:47,460
calm

1117
00:53:58,990 --> 00:53:55,290
[Applause]

1118
00:54:03,330 --> 00:53:59,000
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1119
00:54:12,940 --> 00:54:03,340
standard of paranormal radio and now

1120
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:12,950
here's Jane Steinberg Ron regard would

1121
00:54:16,210 --> 00:54:14,960
you think the public would want it if

1122
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:16,220
they knew there was something to

1123
00:54:21,700 --> 00:54:19,130
disclose if there was something that was

1124
00:54:24,430 --> 00:54:21,710
disclosed that would affect us in a

1125
00:54:27,580 --> 00:54:24,440
positive manner somebody wants to find

1126
00:54:30,010 --> 00:54:27,590
out that well yeah there's the Bohemians

1127
00:54:32,170 --> 00:54:30,020
have been here for 10,000 years

1128
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:32,180
and we're all descendants they're frog

1129
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:36,160
now that's what is the inducement for

1130
00:54:41,830 --> 00:54:39,410
disclosure and for most of us this we're

1131
00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:41,840
just as curious as all get-out some

1132
00:54:46,060 --> 00:54:44,240
people thought a human entities don't

1133
00:54:48,220 --> 00:54:46,070
want as well as you that that would be

1134
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:48,230
able to fill many more books okay so you

1135
00:54:52,030 --> 00:54:49,610
think there's a commercial reason here

1136
00:54:53,020 --> 00:54:52,040
for some people here disclosure puts

1137
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:53,030
them out of business

1138
00:54:57,220 --> 00:54:55,280
well there's a commercial reason but I

1139
00:55:00,280 --> 00:54:57,230
take for than anything else is the a

1140
00:55:03,790 --> 00:55:00,290
plethora of psychological reasons the

1141
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:03,800
religious regions financial reasons I

1142
00:55:10,540 --> 00:55:08,210
mean if we can go from Earth daily to

1143
00:55:13,540 --> 00:55:10,550
use that term and I don't know that they

1144
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:13,550
really are can go from interstellar

1145
00:55:18,370 --> 00:55:16,130
space and travel maybe several

1146
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:18,380
light-years there's a very short period

1147
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:20,960
of time without stopping at their local

1148
00:55:26,140 --> 00:55:24,410
Exxon station there why don't we have

1149
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:26,150
that same technology where we could

1150
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:28,250
drive all over the place and not worry

1151
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:31,490
about it I mean it it would raise all

1152
00:55:37,330 --> 00:55:34,400
kinds of problems they're so big energy

1153
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:37,340
probably until and the less they could

1154
00:55:42,730 --> 00:55:39,770
figure out how to eyes you don't want it

1155
00:55:45,700 --> 00:55:42,740
yeah talk about again worms this this is

1156
00:55:48,910 --> 00:55:45,710
this is a barrel of snakes yeah

1157
00:55:50,380 --> 00:55:48,920
politicians I mean I think there's a lot

1158
00:55:53,860 --> 00:55:50,390
of people that would look about some

1159
00:55:56,260 --> 00:55:53,870
political travel space and water to

1160
00:55:58,720 --> 00:55:56,270
exploit it aren't you there as close to

1161
00:56:00,760 --> 00:55:58,730
God as you can get so the politicians

1162
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:00,770
never want to lose control I think they

1163
00:56:06,430 --> 00:56:03,890
scramble 365 days a year to become

1164
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:06,440
reelected so I mean they're not they're

1165
00:56:10,930 --> 00:56:08,240
not going to give up anything but

1166
00:56:13,210 --> 00:56:10,940
they question Ron though is does the

1167
00:56:17,050 --> 00:56:13,220
government any government know anything

1168
00:56:19,150 --> 00:56:17,060
that should be disclosed sure we've got

1169
00:56:21,180 --> 00:56:19,160
several governments of have released

1170
00:56:25,690 --> 00:56:21,190
something information is very little

1171
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:25,700
let's take the Iranian case at 1976 I

1172
00:56:32,620 --> 00:56:27,920
believe was it's five hundred thousand

1173
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:32,630
witnesses one to a beautiful issues will

1174
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:35,690
battle between f4 phantom first light

1175
00:56:43,540 --> 00:56:39,290
fighter jets in a UFO UFO was able to

1176
00:56:47,350 --> 00:56:43,550
miss people firstly live tighter that's

1177
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:47,360
something that is offensive anymore but

1178
00:56:51,570 --> 00:56:50,090
that was common knowledge that was the

1179
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:51,580
speed the purpose said that was the best

1180
00:56:59,320 --> 00:56:56,330
case that ever see yeah it doesn't go

1181
00:57:01,870 --> 00:56:59,330
anywhere it never got legs so they don't

1182
00:57:04,510 --> 00:57:01,880
really want to talk about it and until

1183
00:57:07,630 --> 00:57:04,520
they do they won't so the people don't

1184
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:07,640
want them don't really care they cared

1185
00:57:11,500 --> 00:57:09,650
more about the stain on Monica Lewinsky

1186
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:11,510
stress so they did about anything else

1187
00:57:17,140 --> 00:57:13,850
yes but do you think that if people knew

1188
00:57:19,450 --> 00:57:17,150
that we're being visited by beings from

1189
00:57:21,700 --> 00:57:19,460
another planet highly advanced beings

1190
00:57:23,620 --> 00:57:21,710
they're really here it's not just the

1191
00:57:26,020 --> 00:57:23,630
movie star trek first contact where the

1192
00:57:27,850 --> 00:57:26,030
Vulcans are seeing the end of our

1193
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:27,860
civilization and we're trying to recover

1194
00:57:34,090 --> 00:57:31,280
from some kind of Cataclysm it is this

1195
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:34,100
day and age they're out there they're

1196
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:36,890
here they've been here we wouldn't want

1197
00:57:46,260 --> 00:57:42,530
to know about it it's such a matter of

1198
00:57:49,390 --> 00:57:46,270
it so they're telling us that's a

1199
00:57:51,490 --> 00:57:49,400
challenge the big challenge is also how

1200
00:57:56,500 --> 00:57:51,500
much information do the authorities

1201
00:58:00,070 --> 00:57:56,510
really have everything the stickler for

1202
00:58:02,860 --> 00:58:00,080
those I see it is really the abduction

1203
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:02,870
issue that you raised earlier see mr.

1204
00:58:07,210 --> 00:58:04,490
business public they're here they've

1205
00:58:09,580 --> 00:58:07,220
come from why here's across speech space

1206
00:58:11,110 --> 00:58:09,590
yeah they've been here for years and we

1207
00:58:14,020 --> 00:58:11,120
know all about it but we didn't want to

1208
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:14,030
tell you and by the way you know they

1209
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:16,090
might come during the night and take you

1210
00:58:21,819 --> 00:58:19,010
and your kids and dump their kids and a

1211
00:58:24,430 --> 00:58:21,829
swimming pool and kill them

1212
00:58:26,589 --> 00:58:24,440
thanks but don't worry we've got your

1213
00:58:29,650 --> 00:58:26,599
back wall top really because we can't do

1214
00:58:30,999 --> 00:58:29,660
anything about them either so the curve

1215
00:58:33,459 --> 00:58:31,009
I can't control them the government

1216
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:33,469
can't even slow it down but don't worry

1217
00:58:39,219 --> 00:58:36,890
majority of public cracked I'll appear

1218
00:58:42,249 --> 00:58:39,229
and watch television I mean it's just

1219
00:58:45,729 --> 00:58:42,259
that's its are a scary frightening thing

1220
00:58:49,299 --> 00:58:45,739
they're the element of this entire

1221
00:58:50,769 --> 00:58:49,309
scenario that to me puts a new wrinkle

1222
00:58:54,219 --> 00:58:50,779
on it that would make it almost

1223
00:58:56,349 --> 00:58:54,229
impossible to to bring up dan also

1224
00:58:59,199 --> 00:58:56,359
assumes that the abductions are

1225
00:59:01,229 --> 00:58:59,209
precisely as described that the people

1226
00:59:04,180 --> 00:59:01,239
are talking about being kidnapped by

1227
00:59:05,469 --> 00:59:04,190
alien beings but the other question we

1228
00:59:08,519 --> 00:59:05,479
sometimes raise when we talk about

1229
00:59:11,709 --> 00:59:08,529
abductions is the possibility that the

1230
00:59:13,959 --> 00:59:11,719
recipient the experiencer is not seeing

1231
00:59:16,779 --> 00:59:13,969
the real event but interpreting the real

1232
00:59:18,459 --> 00:59:16,789
event yeah that's true and a lot of the

1233
00:59:21,489 --> 00:59:18,469
times the interpretation is well it's

1234
00:59:25,569 --> 00:59:21,499
all those sunshine action of course and

1235
00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:25,579
so the the interpretation that a lot of

1236
00:59:32,529 --> 00:59:29,359
people do have is frightening

1237
00:59:34,539 --> 00:59:32,539
when they find out what it is outside of

1238
00:59:39,150 --> 00:59:34,549
their conscious awareness they may be

1239
00:59:42,759 --> 00:59:39,160
through the dulcis so the recipients

1240
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:42,769
response isn't always a conscious

1241
00:59:48,670 --> 00:59:45,170
response but that's what really makes it

1242
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:48,680
fun to me well you also have people like

1243
00:59:55,059 --> 00:59:51,890
Steven Greer who have been saying for

1244
00:59:57,309 --> 00:59:55,069
years that abductions are not a real et

1245
01:00:00,069 --> 00:59:57,319
phenomenon then it's actually our

1246
01:00:03,039 --> 01:00:00,079
government doing it and that that the

1247
01:00:06,689 --> 01:00:03,049
ETS don't do things negative to humans

1248
01:00:09,009 --> 01:00:06,699
of course sophisticated up-to-speed

1249
01:00:12,039 --> 01:00:09,019
listeners like we have here at the para

1250
01:00:14,380 --> 01:00:12,049
cast would have a would have some

1251
01:00:16,420 --> 01:00:14,390
exception to to that particular

1252
01:00:18,729 --> 01:00:16,430
assertion but before we get too far

1253
01:00:23,859 --> 01:00:18,739
adrift of something that you said prior

1254
01:00:26,019 --> 01:00:23,869
about the 1976 Tehran encounter between

1255
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:26,029
as you put it pretty much

1256
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:26,690
state-of-the-art

1257
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:29,690
first line jets and in UFOs we recently

1258
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:31,530
had John Alexander

1259
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:34,170
on the para caste and I mentioned that

1260
01:00:40,970 --> 01:00:37,290
you had had had said at one point that

1261
01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:40,980
DSP had actually seen this and that

1262
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:43,680
there was eyes on at this particular

1263
01:00:48,830 --> 01:00:47,040
event from space and he bristled at the

1264
01:00:51,380 --> 01:00:48,840
hit that and said well that's never been

1265
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:51,390
made public how do you know that and I'm

1266
01:00:58,610 --> 01:00:54,000
just wondering how much do we actually

1267
01:01:00,500 --> 01:00:58,620
know about the state of our surveillance

1268
01:01:03,050 --> 01:01:00,510
technology and how it's being applied to

1269
01:01:06,050 --> 01:01:03,060
the UFO question since we're talking

1270
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:06,060
about the government here i I've heard

1271
01:01:11,780 --> 01:01:08,880
in the past that many of our spy

1272
01:01:13,460 --> 01:01:11,790
satellite systems for instance have an

1273
01:01:15,230 --> 01:01:13,470
outward component to them that they're

1274
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:15,240
actually looking outward as well as down

1275
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:17,370
but would you care to address this and

1276
01:01:21,770 --> 01:01:18,930
and how much can you talk about that

1277
01:01:24,740 --> 01:01:21,780
well it's it's been a few years since

1278
01:01:27,530 --> 01:01:24,750
I've been involved in that but they have

1279
01:01:30,650 --> 01:01:27,540
what is called an above the horizon you

1280
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:30,660
incapable and that was because if you're

1281
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:33,690
going to attempt to assume for the

1282
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:35,970
moment that the mission is as David gets

1283
01:01:43,490 --> 01:01:39,570
to detect a launched an attack against

1284
01:01:46,220 --> 01:01:43,500
the continental United States by enemy

1285
01:01:50,270 --> 01:01:46,230
forces whoever they ap so if you're

1286
01:01:52,070 --> 01:01:50,280
going to tell them their distance picked

1287
01:01:55,910 --> 01:01:52,080
yourself just looking strictly at the

1288
01:01:58,250 --> 01:01:55,920
earth disk there Joel yes anything

1289
01:02:00,350 --> 01:01:58,260
that's coming over the edge so to speak

1290
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:00,360
you know anything is on the other side

1291
01:02:06,380 --> 01:02:04,290
of the earth so we developed what is

1292
01:02:09,470 --> 01:02:06,390
called above the horizon chilling where

1293
01:02:11,810 --> 01:02:09,480
we could look above here at this which

1294
01:02:16,550 --> 01:02:11,820
was just looking into deep space and

1295
01:02:20,980 --> 01:02:16,560
that was an early element of the survey

1296
01:02:23,870 --> 01:02:20,990
of satellite process so we'll stop that

1297
01:02:26,570 --> 01:02:23,880
capability I can't help but think that

1298
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:26,580
since one of the early founders of

1299
01:02:32,660 --> 01:02:29,490
aerogel goes to Kimble and he had had

1300
01:02:35,540 --> 01:02:32,670
baster size that was in the back of his

1301
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:35,550
mind when he was trying to get everybody

1302
01:02:40,310 --> 01:02:38,130
involved in space or aliens but wasn't

1303
01:02:42,590 --> 01:02:40,320
ever been so publicly but it was

1304
01:02:45,230 --> 01:02:42,600
interesting and when I started speaking

1305
01:02:48,380 --> 01:02:45,240
while he was still employed I started

1306
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:48,390
about spy satellites I wrote my book how

1307
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:51,210
to build $125,000 you have both detector

1308
01:02:58,730 --> 01:02:55,170
which was I used actual photographs of

1309
01:03:02,080 --> 01:02:58,740
copies of zoo publications over the bsp

1310
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:02,090
hoping to get somebody to say something

1311
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:05,610
somebody official uh maybe for the FBI I

1312
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:08,850
was trying to elicit a response and I

1313
01:03:15,530 --> 01:03:12,450
never got one we had a society of object

1314
01:03:19,090 --> 01:03:15,540
that came from deep space crossed in

1315
01:03:22,090 --> 01:03:19,100
front of one of our star sensors of just

1316
01:03:25,700 --> 01:03:22,100
determined precise attitude location

1317
01:03:28,690 --> 01:03:25,710
with pain a turn went across the field

1318
01:03:32,300 --> 01:03:28,700
of view in a stately fashion and

1319
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:32,310
proceeded to power its way out of pure

1320
01:03:37,100 --> 01:03:35,730
atmosphere back in the deep space let's

1321
01:03:40,310 --> 01:03:37,110
stop it there and let's leave a

1322
01:03:47,300 --> 01:03:40,320
cliffhanger with Ron Regehr and Jean and

1323
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:47,310
Kris you're in the cast first game

1324
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:48,810
attack of the rock codes and it was a

1325
01:03:52,790 --> 01:03:50,850
critically acclaimed success and now

1326
01:03:54,890 --> 01:03:52,800
there's the coming of the protectors a

1327
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:54,900
former military intelligence man is

1328
01:03:59,240 --> 01:03:57,210
contacted by a space woman in a dream a

1329
01:04:01,430 --> 01:03:59,250
dream that turns out to be a nightmare

1330
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:01,440
because evil forces on our distant

1331
01:04:05,810 --> 01:04:03,450
planet are planning to conquer the earth

1332
01:04:08,270 --> 01:04:05,820
this is gripping science fiction of the

1333
01:04:10,340 --> 01:04:08,280
classic kind attack of the rock OIG's

1334
01:04:13,100 --> 01:04:10,350
and the coming of the protectors find

1335
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:13,110
out more at rockets calm that's rock oh

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believed that the government is doing a

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that the Fed will stop handing out

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trillions of dollars like bailout candy

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that Social Security would be there for

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you that's not what's happening

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you might even pass on gold if the

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will do very well three eight hundred

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so we have what is called the

1439
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cliffhanger here and every so often we

1440
01:08:18,959 --> 01:08:16,359
have to do a break for some business

1441
01:08:21,030 --> 01:08:18,969
we're talking to Ron Regehr with Gina

1442
01:08:23,550 --> 01:08:21,040
and Chris on the power cast Ron you were

1443
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:23,560
talking about this particular case and

1444
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:25,210
we kind of stopped it they're dead in

1445
01:08:32,579 --> 01:08:27,850
its tracks but we need to move on let's

1446
01:08:36,510 --> 01:08:34,709
very very summary we had an object came

1447
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:36,520
from deep space crossed in front of our

1448
01:08:44,190 --> 01:08:39,489
satellite and then went back out into

1449
01:08:46,620 --> 01:08:44,200
deep space and it's never it's on a

1450
01:08:50,660 --> 01:08:46,630
stately fast it slowed down and has sped

1451
01:08:51,900 --> 01:08:50,670
up again space jumped us to that

1452
01:08:54,990 --> 01:08:51,910
asteroids

1453
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:55,000
here's SUNY Stars whatever you want to

1454
01:09:02,519 --> 01:08:57,250
call it they don't behave that way this

1455
01:09:06,090 --> 01:09:02,529
one bit I talked about that I have any

1456
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:06,100
response other than one time when I

1457
01:09:08,459 --> 01:09:07,690
started talking about the stealth

1458
01:09:11,610 --> 01:09:08,469
aircraft

1459
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:11,620
I had this defense investigating a

1460
01:09:17,340 --> 01:09:13,690
service organization come in and talk to

1461
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:17,350
me about now that was interesting I'm

1462
01:09:22,140 --> 01:09:19,810
sure your viewers if I enjoy that the

1463
01:09:27,510 --> 01:09:22,150
investigating officer is Captain James

1464
01:09:31,010 --> 01:09:27,520
Kirk I started laughing when he

1465
01:09:34,079 --> 01:09:31,020
introduced himself to me as showing his

1466
01:09:36,599 --> 01:09:34,089
driver's license a credit card and so

1467
01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:36,609
all other forms of ID so I get this all

1468
01:09:44,459 --> 01:09:40,799
the time he really hated that show but

1469
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:44,469
anyway he was he was more concerned

1470
01:09:51,809 --> 01:09:49,210
about the stealth fighter than anything

1471
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:51,819
else and that was just I would say

1472
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:54,370
probably cross pollution one aerospace

1473
01:09:58,610 --> 01:09:55,930
engineering because our company and

1474
01:10:00,600 --> 01:09:58,620
theirs yeah we talked that's what

1475
01:10:02,250 --> 01:10:00,610
everybody in the field talked to

1476
01:10:05,100 --> 01:10:02,260
everybody else let's kill them it was

1477
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:05,110
just the slip of the tongue but that was

1478
01:10:07,950 --> 01:10:06,489
what he was concerned about didn't care

1479
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:07,960
about flying saucers any thought that

1480
01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:10,930
was cool and I never did have any

1481
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:13,450
official say one thing where the other

1482
01:10:21,090 --> 01:10:16,330
about my work in the sorrowful research

1483
01:10:22,350 --> 01:10:21,100
and spying with PSP never once did that

1484
01:10:26,100 --> 01:10:22,360
embolden you to

1485
01:10:30,959 --> 01:10:26,110
kind of divulge more and more did you

1486
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:30,969
take that as an approval or was cool but

1487
01:10:37,290 --> 01:10:32,650
I never cross the line or revealed

1488
01:10:40,470 --> 01:10:37,300
anything classified right that brings me

1489
01:10:43,259 --> 01:10:40,480
to another question from forum dr. Peric

1490
01:10:45,359 --> 01:10:43,269
ascom where our listeners are able to

1491
01:10:48,060 --> 01:10:45,369
ask questions of our very good guests so

1492
01:10:51,089 --> 01:10:48,070
we get here and this is another new

1493
01:10:53,339 --> 01:10:51,099
poster this is only a second post and he

1494
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:53,349
saved it for you run and it's a good one

1495
01:10:57,890 --> 01:10:55,570
be sure that you are aware of NASA's

1496
01:11:00,540 --> 01:10:57,900
footage from shuttle mission sts-48

1497
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:00,550
that's been all over YouTube all over

1498
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:03,610
the TV on many shows and it shows what

1499
01:11:08,790 --> 01:11:06,130
appears to be a UFO in space dodging a

1500
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:08,800
projectile fired from the earth he's

1501
01:11:14,189 --> 01:11:10,449
wondering first of all if this footage

1502
01:11:15,750 --> 01:11:14,199
in Europe opinion is authentic and are

1503
01:11:17,609 --> 01:11:15,760
you aware of the claims that this

1504
01:11:20,339 --> 01:11:17,619
projectile was fired from Pine Gap

1505
01:11:22,350 --> 01:11:20,349
Australia that's a the to partner and

1506
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:22,360
then he would also like to know what's

1507
01:11:26,759 --> 01:11:24,489
the furthest distance a UFO has been

1508
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:26,769
recorded approaching earth from space to

1509
01:11:31,500 --> 01:11:27,730
the best of your knowledge

1510
01:11:34,140 --> 01:11:31,510
good questions ok far as Pine Gap when I

1511
01:11:36,930 --> 01:11:34,150
was there there is no weapons systems

1512
01:11:39,029 --> 01:11:36,940
there whatsoever they may have had

1513
01:11:42,500 --> 01:11:39,039
enough later but when I was there there

1514
01:11:44,850 --> 01:11:42,510
were no weapons I can't speak for

1515
01:11:46,739 --> 01:11:44,860
whether they add as a leader whether

1516
01:11:49,189 --> 01:11:46,749
they are there now whether they were

1517
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:49,199
there and removed I don't know I always

1518
01:11:59,250 --> 01:11:56,530
speak to what I know oh I'm sorry I'm

1519
01:12:02,160 --> 01:11:59,260
not gonna make you think up but we can

1520
01:12:07,290 --> 01:12:02,170
all speculate and I just really don't

1521
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:07,300
know as far as the sightings were a

1522
01:12:11,310 --> 01:12:09,489
period that there was the thing you want

1523
01:12:13,410 --> 01:12:11,320
though what was the other one came from

1524
01:12:16,259 --> 01:12:13,420
the beach how far from deep space we may

1525
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:16,269
have seen an UFO right in the other

1526
01:12:22,140 --> 01:12:18,610
question would be the sts-48 footage of

1527
01:12:24,739 --> 01:12:22,150
what appears to be a UFO dodging what

1528
01:12:29,250 --> 01:12:24,749
appears to be some further back now I

1529
01:12:34,799 --> 01:12:29,260
have seen that I still don't know what

1530
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:34,809
we were doing to piss on a laser Airport

1531
01:12:40,020 --> 01:12:35,890
lasers

1532
01:12:44,190 --> 01:12:40,030
they go stuff on that early on but I was

1533
01:12:47,310 --> 01:12:44,200
still in a proposal stage one when the

1534
01:12:52,020 --> 01:12:47,320
event happened that was maybe 20 some

1535
01:12:53,910 --> 01:12:52,030
odd years ago and so I don't believe it

1536
01:12:55,620 --> 01:12:53,920
was one of ours might have come from the

1537
01:12:58,010 --> 01:12:55,630
Soviets because they were shooting off

1538
01:13:01,620 --> 01:12:58,020
pretty powerful lasers they need space

1539
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:01,630
high if I had to put my feet to the fire

1540
01:13:07,500 --> 01:13:03,730
had to guess as to what it was I would

1541
01:13:09,570 --> 01:13:07,510
say was probably a Soviet test of one of

1542
01:13:12,060 --> 01:13:09,580
their laser systems and it was one of

1543
01:13:13,590 --> 01:13:12,070
their target sets that would be my best

1544
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:13,600
guess on what happened there

1545
01:13:18,540 --> 01:13:15,370
to what degree do you think the

1546
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:18,550
government has interfered in the UFO

1547
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:23,290
field in part by maybe miss directing us

1548
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:27,130
from possible test aircraft and is it

1549
01:13:31,380 --> 01:13:28,690
possible it may be at least some of

1550
01:13:33,750 --> 01:13:31,390
those abductions were really caused by

1551
01:13:36,900 --> 01:13:33,760
the government with very much apologies

1552
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:36,910
to people like Steven Greer who probably

1553
01:13:43,890 --> 01:13:41,650
do not wish to face reality I don't

1554
01:13:46,580 --> 01:13:43,900
think I don't believe any of their

1555
01:13:49,440 --> 01:13:46,590
original abductions by that I mean yo

1556
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:49,450
George is bellever or taken during the

1557
01:13:53,910 --> 01:13:51,970
night I don't believe any of those but

1558
01:13:56,790 --> 01:13:53,920
I'll call those original abductions were

1559
01:13:59,580 --> 01:13:56,800
the result of military involvement but I

1560
01:14:02,790 --> 01:13:59,590
wouldn't be at all surprised to find out

1561
01:14:05,790 --> 01:14:02,800
that a week after Varian Elvis started

1562
01:14:07,860 --> 01:14:05,800
talking about it that they had a visit

1563
01:14:10,050 --> 01:14:07,870
and it may not have been within their

1564
01:14:12,210 --> 01:14:10,060
awareness it what surprised me there

1565
01:14:14,460 --> 01:14:12,220
would be possible follow-up by US

1566
01:14:16,110 --> 01:14:14,470
military but I don't believe the

1567
01:14:18,030 --> 01:14:16,120
military's involved there's no evidence

1568
01:14:19,710 --> 01:14:18,040
to support it there's precious little

1569
01:14:21,620 --> 01:14:19,720
evidence to support the abduction

1570
01:14:25,440 --> 01:14:21,630
phenomena in the first place that

1571
01:14:27,570 --> 01:14:25,450
stretch there's uh I remember all I

1572
01:14:31,020 --> 01:14:27,580
can't remember those ladies things that

1573
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:31,030
she was making a military blood suitcase

1574
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:35,890
and she was describing me in signal

1575
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:38,890
shoulder patch of the military officer

1576
01:14:47,490 --> 01:14:42,930
who was there leading the investigation

1577
01:14:49,709 --> 01:14:47,500
I've done it so to speak and one of the

1578
01:14:51,450 --> 01:14:49,719
people in the audience that will

1579
01:14:53,129 --> 01:14:51,460
a military expert said well that's

1580
01:14:55,739 --> 01:14:53,139
that's wrong the patch to have this

1581
01:14:58,459 --> 01:14:55,749
color be shaped like this corrected her

1582
01:15:04,560 --> 01:14:58,469
and so the next time she was abducted

1583
01:15:07,410 --> 01:15:04,570
she reported hell as Watchi she said she

1584
01:15:10,319 --> 01:15:07,420
thought Oh George said that it's wrong

1585
01:15:14,129 --> 01:15:10,329
the patch to look like this and before

1586
01:15:16,169 --> 01:15:14,139
her eyes it transformed into what had

1587
01:15:18,750 --> 01:15:16,179
been told was the correct color in

1588
01:15:21,959 --> 01:15:18,760
placement of the symbols Wow so that

1589
01:15:24,270 --> 01:15:21,969
sort of makes me wonder how accurate

1590
01:15:25,950 --> 01:15:24,280
some other people who may have claimed

1591
01:15:28,589 --> 01:15:25,960
they were abducted by the military how

1592
01:15:30,089 --> 01:15:28,599
active some of the requests are well we

1593
01:15:31,890 --> 01:15:30,099
do know that the military does get

1594
01:15:35,339 --> 01:15:31,900
involved in counterintelligence

1595
01:15:38,549 --> 01:15:35,349
activities you actually were involved

1596
01:15:41,939 --> 01:15:38,559
very early on in the bennewitz case in

1597
01:15:45,089 --> 01:15:41,949
that you found out about bennewitz early

1598
01:15:46,469 --> 01:15:45,099
on and you started a correspondence with

1599
01:15:49,290 --> 01:15:46,479
him why don't you give us a quick

1600
01:15:52,919 --> 01:15:49,300
thumbnail on your involvement in in the

1601
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:52,929
very disturbing events that precipitated

1602
01:15:57,810 --> 01:15:55,530
his being committed to a mental hospital

1603
01:16:01,350 --> 01:15:57,820
before you do that Ron we have to do our

1604
01:16:03,149 --> 01:16:01,360
break in a moment I'll another

1605
01:16:05,129 --> 01:16:03,159
cliffhanger because Paul bennewitz is

1606
01:16:07,410 --> 01:16:05,139
such an involved case it requires like a

1607
01:16:09,660 --> 01:16:07,420
30-second summary of what it was about

1608
01:16:12,689 --> 01:16:09,670
and then we get into your involvement

1609
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:12,699
and to give it justice let's really let

1610
01:16:17,279 --> 01:16:15,130
it sit to the next segment after we take

1611
01:16:19,739 --> 01:16:17,289
care of a few pieces of business we have

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the paragraph

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[Music]

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01:21:05,850 --> 01:21:04,060
so we've talked about Paul bennewitz in

1718
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the past we've talked about maybe

1719
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William Moore getting involved in a

1720
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somewhat nasty way with the Paul

1721
01:21:15,620 --> 01:21:13,150
bennewitz case how did you get connected

1722
01:21:18,030 --> 01:21:15,630
with it and maybe give our listeners the

1723
01:21:23,130 --> 01:21:18,040
30-second summary of what it's about

1724
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first run okay I began corresponding

1725
01:21:33,330 --> 01:21:27,490
with Paul Oh years ago I have I've got a

1726
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folder of all of the letters and so but

1727
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I don't remember what precipitated the

1728
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whole series of Correspondence oh yeah

1729
01:21:46,370 --> 01:21:40,780
wait a minute I did too I was I was

1730
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doing some testing at Kyle Canyon and

1731
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Kirtland Air Force Base Camp Paul's was

1732
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reporting strange activity at Kirtland

1733
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Air Force Base claiming it was alien or

1734
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UFO activity was blowing on that was

1735
01:22:05,060 --> 01:22:02,770
causing the readings he was getting it

1736
01:22:09,510 --> 01:22:05,070
was claiming he was getting analog

1737
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signals originating from this coyote

1738
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engine area yeah the government was

1739
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concerned that some of these signals may

1740
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be compromised test results and we were

1741
01:22:28,350 --> 01:22:23,260
glad some very sophisticated classified

1742
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test the kenshin their 10th so I was

1743
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:30,940
called to find out what was going on but

1744
01:22:37,290 --> 01:22:33,330
our staff wonder where our signals

1745
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leaking such that they would be sensed

1746
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:41,140
by someone outside the area so but that

1747
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:43,930
got me intrigued because I'm told to UFO

1748
01:22:49,380 --> 01:22:46,650
guy so anyway I started looking into

1749
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:49,390
Paul bennewitz and what was going on

1750
01:22:55,410 --> 01:22:52,650
with him and it turns out that it was

1751
01:22:59,940 --> 01:22:55,420
pretty fascinating he was sending me

1752
01:23:03,270 --> 01:22:59,950
some photographs sending me letters law

1753
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of all letters I forget the type of

1754
01:23:08,570 --> 01:23:05,920
aircraft he had but it was the something

1755
01:23:10,890 --> 01:23:08,580
that can to assess the one each to I

1756
01:23:13,620 --> 01:23:10,900
could very well be wrong but I don't

1757
01:23:14,350 --> 01:23:13,630
ever remember seeing anything the sign

1758
01:23:16,090 --> 01:23:14,360
of the problem

1759
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:16,100
one of the pictures could even fly

1760
01:23:23,020 --> 01:23:18,770
missions from Albuquerque up to our

1761
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collated base round dulce and seventy

1762
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pictures of what had seen and claiming

1763
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that there was a hive I think was the

1764
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term used the aliens up there and so I

1765
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became intrigued ended up I guess it was

1766
01:23:40,390 --> 01:23:38,840
about a two-year period and during this

1767
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time its other thought what Bill Moore

1768
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was conducting his shenanigans at the

1769
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though she was involved and so I was

1770
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aware at the time of tell they

1771
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directly involved I feel he had gone to

1772
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Albuquerque with the intent of visiting

1773
01:24:07,390 --> 01:24:03,530
Paul put those far as a staying at his

1774
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house and witnessing some of the events

1775
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that were taking place rearranging the

1776
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furniture just silly things like take

1777
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all the silverware out of walk or put a

1778
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door put all the clothes this closet

1779
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double reverse but the shirts on the

1780
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left of advanced on the right or

1781
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something like that change a sock store

1782
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and his underwear drawer change those

1783
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:32,630
are all little things that were just

1784
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type of person crazy after a walk and it

1785
01:24:42,100 --> 01:24:38,240
is just wrong oh absolutely

1786
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and if if I remember right it was the

1787
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was witness to that with the

1788
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premise and promise that you know you

1789
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don't you take care of us and we'll take

1790
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care of you when the time comes to

1791
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reveal the big bad secrets about

1792
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everything you oppose you know get to

1793
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know because you helped us out well

1794
01:25:03,690 --> 01:24:59,360
apparently that didn't work out too well

1795
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:03,700
for Fillmore or Paul bennewitz about the

1796
01:25:11,500 --> 01:25:09,050
the film and the CIA involvement with

1797
01:25:14,410 --> 01:25:11,510
this special film that he had that was

1798
01:25:17,490 --> 01:25:14,420
for I think a large-format camera that

1799
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was used on a flight up there with

1800
01:25:25,900 --> 01:25:22,280
Colonel Edwards or captain Edwards I was

1801
01:25:27,970 --> 01:25:25,910
uh I went to Kirtland and actually went

1802
01:25:31,690 --> 01:25:27,980
in and talk to or see

1803
01:25:34,420 --> 01:25:31,700
his office and I asked him I said what's

1804
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it's about penalize soon I said that I

1805
01:25:39,790 --> 01:25:38,060
heard that one of the claims he made was

1806
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to people he was on one of his patients

1807
01:25:48,490 --> 01:25:44,390
and their therapist of a UFO death had

1808
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:48,500
come with Ben that started out for them

1809
01:25:52,780 --> 01:25:50,650
I think was five miles away and ended up

1810
01:25:56,940 --> 01:25:52,790
right next to the airplane

1811
01:26:00,430 --> 01:25:56,950
here's your helicopter and he said yeah

1812
01:26:02,350 --> 01:26:00,440
Edwards but for that I said was a very

1813
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intelligent controller could you tell if

1814
01:26:08,440 --> 01:26:04,400
it was under intelligent so as years I

1815
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:08,450
hope so he says one minute gets five

1816
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:10,130
miles away in the next minute it's right

1817
01:26:16,210 --> 01:26:13,130
next to the skin on the helicopter and

1818
01:26:18,970 --> 01:26:16,220
so he laughed that was the week we had

1819
01:26:22,450 --> 01:26:18,980
to go busy but he did take the both

1820
01:26:25,270 --> 01:26:22,460
office so that was confirmation that he

1821
01:26:28,930 --> 01:26:25,280
had been with Paul at one time on one

1822
01:26:33,130 --> 01:26:28,940
flight opportunity so-called alien high

1823
01:26:35,050 --> 01:26:33,140
over Dulce and Paul later on or during

1824
01:26:41,440 --> 01:26:35,060
the course of our correspondence Tempe

1825
01:26:43,530 --> 01:26:41,450
oh I guess it was a baby 10:00 at night

1826
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:43,540
then somewhere I have that large format

1827
01:26:48,070 --> 01:26:46,250
in large which he use but a Hasselblad

1828
01:26:51,870 --> 01:26:48,080
two and a quarter by two and a quarter

1829
01:26:54,460 --> 01:26:51,880
with the cameras they give the pictures

1830
01:26:56,920 --> 01:26:54,470
but I couldn't see any of the features

1831
01:26:59,860 --> 01:26:56,930
and those letters it said sit here this

1832
01:27:02,770 --> 01:26:59,870
one you'll see here's the alien

1833
01:27:05,650 --> 01:27:02,780
transporter and the guys working on the

1834
01:27:07,750 --> 01:27:05,660
rocket ship and there was a crass rocket

1835
01:27:11,820 --> 01:27:07,760
ship and it's bringing radioactivity all

1836
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:11,830
over and they'd write letters to Senator

1837
01:27:16,630 --> 01:27:14,570
DaVinci explaining how this was a threat

1838
01:27:21,130 --> 01:27:16,640
to the health and safety of the citizens

1839
01:27:25,050 --> 01:27:21,140
of the state of New Mexico and on and on

1840
01:27:28,210 --> 01:27:25,060
kappa i couldn't say anything and i

1841
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:28,220
eventually was able to take some of

1842
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:30,410
these things in and have them analyzed

1843
01:27:38,850 --> 01:27:34,010
under but if we had a picture there with

1844
01:27:41,150 --> 01:27:38,860
a little bit of work to look use for

1845
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:41,160
looking at old photographs

1846
01:27:46,510 --> 01:27:43,770
and where we could pick out a large them

1847
01:27:48,650 --> 01:27:46,520
said you guys for different things that

1848
01:27:54,380 --> 01:27:48,660
so I couldn't say anything

1849
01:27:56,900 --> 01:27:54,390
and eventually I got a call from a Feld

1850
01:27:59,570 --> 01:27:56,910
Eze that she did them for self kind of

1851
01:28:03,020 --> 01:27:59,580
board action and that's when he finished

1852
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:03,030
he would return them to well I think

1853
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:05,370
game has gone on to his great reward and

1854
01:28:13,250 --> 01:28:08,970
I never did get my my branch back with

1855
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:13,260
the I had a confessor little prince

1856
01:28:18,020 --> 01:28:15,650
triple Paul bennewitz a lot gets back

1857
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:18,030
yeah I mention that to Greg he's he's

1858
01:28:20,930 --> 01:28:20,010
looking through the files for them you

1859
01:28:22,570 --> 01:28:20,940
would think that that'd be something

1860
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:22,580
would stick out like a sore thumb

1861
01:28:35,300 --> 01:28:30,690
yeah like temp I can that's why there

1862
01:28:37,250 --> 01:28:35,310
was a over heavy times I really felt

1863
01:28:41,150 --> 01:28:37,260
sorry for football and everything to

1864
01:28:44,300 --> 01:28:41,160
happen to assist to behalf that's a dark

1865
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:44,310
spot on beautiful history that we should

1866
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:48,810
remember is do what we can't ever allow

1867
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:52,650
it to happen most assuredly that was the

1868
01:28:56,900 --> 01:28:55,650
LMS we've talked about quite a bit on

1869
01:29:01,130 --> 01:28:56,910
this show of course we've had Greg

1870
01:29:04,220 --> 01:29:01,140
Bishop on we've had Greg Valdez on you

1871
01:29:06,100 --> 01:29:04,230
know and we have discussed this from

1872
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:06,110
time to time they the whole dulce

1873
01:29:13,630 --> 01:29:10,530
scenario is is a perfect example of I

1874
01:29:16,250 --> 01:29:13,640
think you know somebody's miss

1875
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:16,260
perceptions growing legs and other

1876
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:18,330
people glomming on to the story and and

1877
01:29:24,410 --> 01:29:21,210
then you have this this incredible pop

1878
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:24,420
culture sort of you know legend that's

1879
01:29:31,250 --> 01:29:28,010
now accepted in many circles as fact and

1880
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:31,260
just watching the progression of this

1881
01:29:36,710 --> 01:29:33,210
over the years has been fascinating and

1882
01:29:38,180 --> 01:29:36,720
as someone that's been involved in some

1883
01:29:41,810 --> 01:29:38,190
of the earlier underpinnings of this

1884
01:29:43,810 --> 01:29:41,820
particular urban myth if you will what

1885
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:43,820
do you think about how this Dulce

1886
01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:47,610
scenario has has evolved and grown legs

1887
01:29:52,370 --> 01:29:48,930
so to speak I mean where do you come

1888
01:29:54,570 --> 01:29:52,380
down with all that III think instead of

1889
01:29:58,550 --> 01:29:54,580
evolved I would use the term

1890
01:30:03,350 --> 01:29:58,560
evolved but that's a personal choice

1891
01:30:08,310 --> 01:30:03,360
IIIi think it's it's typical of a lot of

1892
01:30:10,590 --> 01:30:08,320
instances where people do not do

1893
01:30:13,890 --> 01:30:10,600
adequate research to determine what

1894
01:30:16,110 --> 01:30:13,900
really is at the bottom ticket

1895
01:30:18,330 --> 01:30:16,120
let's go more into doing the right

1896
01:30:21,030 --> 01:30:18,340
research here in a moment

1897
01:30:23,940 --> 01:30:21,040
we have Ron Regehr longtime UFO

1898
01:30:26,130 --> 01:30:23,950
investigator and we're covering a lot of

1899
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ground and having him answer your

1900
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questions with Gene and Kris you're in

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1907
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took hours before it returned but I'd

1908
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already placed the order with another

1909
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1910
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lose business and if you have a business

1911
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1912
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1918
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codes and it was a critically acclaimed

1919
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success and now there's the coming of

1920
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1921
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1922
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1923
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to be a nightmare because evil forces on

1924
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our distant planet are planning to

1925
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conquer the earth

1926
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this is gripping science fiction of the

1927
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classic kind attack of the rock codes

1928
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and the coming of the protectors find

1929
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1952
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1953
01:32:49,030 --> 01:32:42,320
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1954
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this alert just came in this special

1955
01:32:56,060 --> 01:32:53,880
announcement is for business owners and

1956
01:32:58,270 --> 01:32:56,070
leaders of organizations who've been

1957
01:33:00,920 --> 01:32:58,280
waiting for the right time to build

1958
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:00,930
general steel has made it impossible to

1959
01:33:04,910 --> 01:33:02,730
wait any longer with rock-bottom prices

1960
01:33:07,250 --> 01:33:04,920
that could save you thousands that's

1961
01:33:09,380 --> 01:33:07,260
right general steel America's leader in

1962
01:33:11,270 --> 01:33:09,390
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1963
01:33:13,730 --> 01:33:11,280
buildings at prices you will never see

1964
01:33:16,850 --> 01:33:13,740
again don't miss these prices of 50 by

1965
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:16,860
100 for $35,000 you heard right that's

1966
01:33:21,050 --> 01:33:19,290
5000 square feet for $35,000

1967
01:33:23,300 --> 01:33:21,060
manufacturers if you need a larger

1968
01:33:24,650 --> 01:33:23,310
building try a 100 by 100 commercial

1969
01:33:26,570 --> 01:33:24,660
building for a hundred and twenty nine

1970
01:33:27,350 --> 01:33:26,580
thousand you can't afford to rent with

1971
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:27,360
these prices

1972
01:33:31,070 --> 01:33:29,610
imagine a 70 by 100 foot church building

1973
01:33:33,530 --> 01:33:31,080
for under sixty nine thousand dollars

1974
01:33:35,810 --> 01:33:33,540
with the economy improving and interest

1975
01:33:39,860 --> 01:33:35,820
rate still at historic lows you can't

1976
01:33:43,610 --> 01:33:39,870
afford to wait so call 866 91 steel lock

1977
01:33:47,090 --> 01:33:43,620
in your price now call 866 91 steel

1978
01:33:49,430 --> 01:33:47,100
that's eight six six nine one seven 83

1979
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35 we all know that berkey water

1980
01:33:53,690 --> 01:33:51,420
purification systems are the most

1981
01:33:55,700 --> 01:33:53,700
trusted name in water filtration as an

1982
01:33:57,410 --> 01:33:55,710
authorized Berkey dealer for over 6

1983
01:33:58,310 --> 01:33:57,420
years in serving thousands of satisfied

1984
01:34:00,710 --> 01:33:58,320
customers

1985
01:34:02,900 --> 01:34:00,720
the Berkey guy offers amazing specials

1986
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:02,910
for berkey water filtration systems the

1987
01:34:06,590 --> 01:34:04,530
Berkey light systems include a set of

1988
01:34:08,570 --> 01:34:06,600
self-sterilizing and re cleanable black

1989
01:34:10,970 --> 01:34:08,580
purification elements that purify water

1990
01:34:13,190 --> 01:34:10,980
by removing chlorine pathogenic bacteria

1991
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cysts and parasites to non detectable

1992
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levels and remove harmful chemicals such

1993
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as herbicides and pesticides order the

1994
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1995
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two black per key elements for only 231

1996
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dollars and the Berkey guy will ship

1997
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your order free of charge with the

1998
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:27,240
purchase of a per key light the Berkey

1999
01:34:31,460 --> 01:34:29,130
guy is also offering a set of fluoride

2000
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:31,470
and arsenic filters for only $39.99

2001
01:34:34,310 --> 01:34:33,810
that's over 30 percent off the retail

2002
01:34:36,170 --> 01:34:34,320
price

2003
01:34:38,480 --> 01:34:36,180
call the Berkey guy at one eighty

2004
01:34:40,670 --> 01:34:38,490
seventy seven eight eight six three six

2005
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:40,680
five three that's one eight seven seven

2006
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eight eight six three six five three or

2007
01:34:51,110 --> 01:34:46,080
order online at Gober Keep Calm let's go

2008
01:34:53,870 --> 01:34:51,120
Berkey dot-com today hi this is Don

2009
01:34:56,180 --> 01:34:53,880
Ecker and you are tuned in to the para

2010
01:34:57,720 --> 01:34:56,190
cast let me tell you what you're gonna

2011
01:35:00,390 --> 01:34:57,730
hear stuff here

2012
01:35:03,470 --> 01:35:00,400
that you probably won't hear anywhere

2013
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:03,480
else here that George Noory

2014
01:35:08,450 --> 01:35:05,890
I'm the power cast with Jean and Chris

2015
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:08,460
Ron Regehr continuing a long answer

2016
01:35:18,270 --> 01:35:11,530
which is based on about crossing a short

2017
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:18,280
bridge I fear the UFO field has got a

2018
01:35:24,150 --> 01:35:21,970
lot of people who'll to surface research

2019
01:35:28,650 --> 01:35:24,160
I guess the best way to call it they

2020
01:35:34,440 --> 01:35:28,660
they they hear they'll have the time our

2021
01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:34,450
sources desire to go out and really

2022
01:35:39,780 --> 01:35:36,730
determine what's going on but they sure

2023
01:35:42,570 --> 01:35:39,790
do like to make the voice and I'm not

2024
01:35:43,470 --> 01:35:42,580
going to mention any it just it's very

2025
01:35:46,140 --> 01:35:43,480
frustrating

2026
01:35:47,460 --> 01:35:46,150
you can run that's that's okay we we

2027
01:35:55,710 --> 01:35:47,470
mentioned names there all the time

2028
01:35:58,800 --> 01:35:55,720
if you won't I will two incidents that I

2029
01:36:02,150 --> 01:35:58,810
was willing to help out I was in a crash

2030
01:36:04,979 --> 01:36:02,160
retrievals empower that Brian Wood was

2031
01:36:06,690 --> 01:36:04,989
sponsoring them very very nice series

2032
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:06,700
and seminars that we should reintroduce

2033
01:36:13,440 --> 01:36:09,930
those and one of the presenters was

2034
01:36:16,770 --> 01:36:13,450
quite famous in topology and she

2035
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:16,780
presented about the case of of crashed

2036
01:36:24,650 --> 01:36:21,370
UFO in the state of Utah I lived at Utah

2037
01:36:29,850 --> 01:36:24,660
at the time there was this mysterious

2038
01:36:33,140 --> 01:36:29,860
triangle is that the UFO was so big that

2039
01:36:37,440 --> 01:36:33,150
people had the variance and if they had

2040
01:36:40,650 --> 01:36:37,450
had this big facility and professors

2041
01:36:44,900 --> 01:36:40,660
from miles around or came to examine

2042
01:36:47,070 --> 01:36:44,910
this thing and how there were UFO

2043
01:36:49,979 --> 01:36:47,080
involved that there was government

2044
01:36:53,790 --> 01:36:49,989
involvement this list of famous people

2045
01:36:56,010 --> 01:36:53,800
in aerospace military intelligence

2046
01:37:02,880 --> 01:36:56,020
community all starved in this little

2047
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:02,890
area in remote Utah and it's always one

2048
01:37:07,350 --> 01:37:04,810
of the water first

2049
01:37:11,549 --> 01:37:07,360
springers I guess we call them has gone

2050
01:37:14,330 --> 01:37:11,559
out there and exam at this base broken

2051
01:37:17,339 --> 01:37:14,340
the built-in experiment there was a

2052
01:37:20,819 --> 01:37:17,349
clandestine activity going on and so I

2053
01:37:22,830 --> 01:37:20,829
was all this is my stage she's far far

2054
01:37:25,709 --> 01:37:22,840
away oh I'll help her out cause it

2055
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:25,719
sounds like a great case so I throw out

2056
01:37:32,879 --> 01:37:29,770
there and I took my wife was just my

2057
01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:32,889
wife nice with the time and we went out

2058
01:37:40,020 --> 01:37:36,250
and stumbled upon the place and long

2059
01:37:42,899 --> 01:37:40,030
behold the Beast director was there Stan

2060
01:37:45,180 --> 01:37:42,909
kitchen scene he showed us all around he

2061
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:45,190
said they all just discussed it because

2062
01:37:50,939 --> 01:37:49,090
this lady has a large following and he

2063
01:37:52,830 --> 01:37:50,949
was unable to get his work done

2064
01:37:55,830 --> 01:37:52,840
sometimes because they get interference

2065
01:37:58,260 --> 01:37:55,840
from multi losses people who wanted to

2066
01:38:00,930 --> 01:37:58,270
come and see the aliens with the UFOs of

2067
01:38:03,569 --> 01:38:00,940
all this other stuff so he invited us

2068
01:38:05,790 --> 01:38:03,579
all most dependable people into every

2069
01:38:08,089 --> 01:38:05,800
single building we went into every

2070
01:38:11,129 --> 01:38:08,099
building booked into every room every

2071
01:38:14,490 --> 01:38:11,139
closet there there's no way there was

2072
01:38:17,430 --> 01:38:14,500
nothing there that we didn't have not

2073
01:38:19,830 --> 01:38:17,440
only an opportunity but almost as if we

2074
01:38:21,870 --> 01:38:19,840
look at he was helping you bang on walls

2075
01:38:30,209 --> 01:38:21,880
to find hollow spaces where the hidden

2076
01:38:31,500 --> 01:38:30,219
motorway to the underground and we did

2077
01:38:35,910 --> 01:38:31,510
we went everywhere he showed us

2078
01:38:38,910 --> 01:38:35,920
everything absolute offices claims that

2079
01:38:41,129 --> 01:38:38,920
there was a hockey antennas it was just

2080
01:38:44,339 --> 01:38:41,139
to I believe communicate with the aliens

2081
01:38:48,029 --> 01:38:44,349
and he's and Stan said not that was that

2082
01:38:51,839 --> 01:38:48,039
was this was before cell phones put in

2083
01:38:56,459 --> 01:38:51,849
that was an attempt to have any cases

2084
01:38:58,260 --> 01:38:56,469
with outside the vanships a places where

2085
01:39:00,450 --> 01:38:58,270
you can get Cedar City weather because

2086
01:39:01,950 --> 01:39:00,460
in a case and certainly if they used to

2087
01:39:04,350 --> 01:39:01,960
call somebody on the telephone make sure

2088
01:39:10,260 --> 01:39:04,360
sure teleports it was the mysterious

2089
01:39:12,589 --> 01:39:10,270
underground facility that was I figured

2090
01:39:14,870 --> 01:39:12,599
let's explain that host for but that was

2091
01:39:18,450 --> 01:39:14,880
other ventilators Jeff's

2092
01:39:21,540 --> 01:39:18,460
those were were the sleeping quarters

2093
01:39:25,290 --> 01:39:21,550
worth it's pretty game they're up in the

2094
01:39:27,830 --> 01:39:25,300
summertime and they have air

2095
01:39:31,500 --> 01:39:27,840
this was built during the CCC days

2096
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:31,510
excluding Conservation Corps in the 30s

2097
01:39:38,240 --> 01:39:34,650
they didn't have air conditioning

2098
01:39:41,160 --> 01:39:38,250
surface force ventilation system

2099
01:39:45,900 --> 01:39:41,170
everything is ice a story was

2100
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:45,910
and I was so I got some aerial photos of

2101
01:39:53,340 --> 01:39:48,610
the area and he said it that's all to

2102
01:39:55,830 --> 01:39:53,350
her and she was addicted because she

2103
01:39:59,600 --> 01:39:55,840
went ahead she's noticing same story

2104
01:40:07,140 --> 01:40:03,230
I guess Spain those no doubt sometimes

2105
01:40:11,460 --> 01:40:07,150
but her other case if you taught that I

2106
01:40:15,570 --> 01:40:11,470
said that were not also it was involved

2107
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:15,580
are just mass complaints that his father

2108
01:40:24,420 --> 01:40:21,970
was at area 51 and then he describes it

2109
01:40:27,060 --> 01:40:24,430
as jackass flats well Jack has flat

2110
01:40:29,430 --> 01:40:27,070
different from area 51 I've sister check

2111
01:40:33,690 --> 01:40:29,440
as flash such as that the area 51 and

2112
01:40:36,450 --> 01:40:33,700
but it says 40 miles away a couple of

2113
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:36,460
some ranges in between them so we had

2114
01:40:44,370 --> 01:40:41,290
got it just all kinds of features about

2115
01:40:48,750 --> 01:40:44,380
her two stories a budget on it's just

2116
01:40:52,170 --> 01:40:48,760
absolutely washed and I just it's just

2117
01:40:56,930 --> 01:40:52,180
funny to think that there's people of

2118
01:40:59,550 --> 01:40:56,940
this caliber of rich neck that the

2119
01:41:01,440 --> 01:40:59,560
that's what we picked up stories to make

2120
01:41:03,750 --> 01:41:01,450
them up or so gullible

2121
01:41:07,770 --> 01:41:03,760
but they read whatever they're told is

2122
01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:07,780
no question so anyway what I was

2123
01:41:12,860 --> 01:41:09,730
referring to well you know in the UFO

2124
01:41:15,750 --> 01:41:12,870
field just in general hoaxes are never

2125
01:41:17,970 --> 01:41:15,760
resolved we know that a case is a hoax

2126
01:41:20,550 --> 01:41:17,980
we prove it then somebody comes along

2127
01:41:28,250 --> 01:41:20,560
and they resurrect it all over again as

2128
01:41:33,290 --> 01:41:30,510
no one does research but that's also

2129
01:41:36,750 --> 01:41:33,300
sometimes true in the mainstream media

2130
01:41:38,649 --> 01:41:36,760
wear something long ago shown to be a

2131
01:41:40,719 --> 01:41:38,659
fallacy false he

2132
01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:40,729
repeated and part of it is in the

2133
01:41:45,370 --> 01:41:42,650
mainstream media it's about false

2134
01:41:47,229 --> 01:41:45,380
equivalence where you gotta have both

2135
01:41:52,719 --> 01:41:47,239
sides of the story even if there's only

2136
01:41:55,390 --> 01:41:52,729
one side you know almost every night on

2137
01:41:57,520 --> 01:41:55,400
the news well who was it was a dealer

2138
01:42:00,100 --> 01:41:57,530
Goebbels instead if you repeat a lot to

2139
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:00,110
lie enough eventually it's accepted as

2140
01:42:11,919 --> 01:42:08,570
truth it's really important we have

2141
01:42:14,399 --> 01:42:11,929
things like the fair cast and that you

2142
01:42:16,929 --> 01:42:14,409
open it up as you do to allow your

2143
01:42:20,679 --> 01:42:16,939
listeners to ask questions in real time

2144
01:42:24,580 --> 01:42:20,689
to challenge things to resurrect that

2145
01:42:35,859 --> 01:42:24,590
you will subtly old stories to some of

2146
01:42:38,739 --> 01:42:35,869
the old cases freshen them up remembers

2147
01:42:41,319 --> 01:42:38,749
the late nights when there was a big

2148
01:42:44,770 --> 01:42:41,329
splash for a period of time upon the

2149
01:42:47,469 --> 01:42:44,780
rape office full of photos that James

2150
01:42:49,239 --> 01:42:47,479
Bond Johnson took in so I was just gonna

2151
01:42:52,689 --> 01:42:49,249
ask you about that we have a question in

2152
01:42:54,609 --> 01:42:52,699
our question Bank about that and again

2153
01:42:56,560 --> 01:42:54,619
it's a it's a first time poster wants to

2154
01:42:58,080 --> 01:42:56,570
know if you think the Ramey memo may be

2155
01:43:00,459 --> 01:42:58,090
key to Roswell

2156
01:43:06,850 --> 01:43:00,469
absolutely why don't you give us your

2157
01:43:10,419 --> 01:43:06,860
background yes what was your question

2158
01:43:12,159 --> 01:43:10,429
I'm sorry I over talked you saying that

2159
01:43:14,259 --> 01:43:12,169
perhaps you could give us a quick

2160
01:43:16,060 --> 01:43:14,269
thumbnail overview of how you got

2161
01:43:17,500 --> 01:43:16,070
involved in this I think that this is

2162
01:43:18,669 --> 01:43:17,510
some of the most important work that's

2163
01:43:25,149 --> 01:43:18,679
been done on Roswell

2164
01:43:29,020 --> 01:43:25,159
did you never hear about said earlier I

2165
01:43:31,750 --> 01:43:29,030
was part of Orange County MUFON and a

2166
01:43:33,669 --> 01:43:31,760
man named James Bond's Dawson will have

2167
01:43:36,640 --> 01:43:33,679
to be the one of the people to

2168
01:43:40,540 --> 01:43:36,650
photograph stuff to free and general

2169
01:43:43,449 --> 01:43:40,550
Roger in his office lunch my 1947 that

2170
01:43:47,229 --> 01:43:43,459
was reported to be good to forgive a

2171
01:43:49,540 --> 01:43:47,239
crashed UFO and so she supposed to me

2172
01:43:52,339 --> 01:43:49,550
and his team my friends and paste I

2173
01:43:54,979 --> 01:43:52,349
figure thought it was something else

2174
01:43:57,229 --> 01:43:54,989
he says you don't make things up to you

2175
01:43:58,909 --> 01:43:57,239
and I said oh this is well not what I'm

2176
01:44:02,209 --> 01:43:58,919
talking about birthdays I tell stories

2177
01:44:04,729 --> 01:44:02,219
to my grandkids so anyway we've got the

2178
01:44:07,819 --> 01:44:04,739
discussion and he's told me who he was

2179
01:44:08,539 --> 01:44:07,829
and that he had been contacted by George

2180
01:44:11,989 --> 01:44:08,549
spyler

2181
01:44:14,779 --> 01:44:11,999
I realize those who tourists Lauer's new

2182
01:44:17,419 --> 01:44:14,789
publicist Beiler's files right he's been

2183
01:44:19,759 --> 01:44:17,429
on the show you know good to pick him up

2184
01:44:21,799 --> 01:44:19,769
weekly you avoid activities anyway

2185
01:44:26,239 --> 01:44:21,809
George had been contacted by several

2186
01:44:29,779 --> 01:44:26,249
rings Widow and she was upset because

2187
01:44:32,539 --> 01:44:29,789
her children the general range is buried

2188
01:44:36,139 --> 01:44:32,549
she was substantially older with his

2189
01:44:38,449 --> 01:44:36,149
wife and so that they thought their

2190
01:44:42,259 --> 01:44:38,459
offspring has resulted substantial

2191
01:44:44,589 --> 01:44:42,269
younger the kids it's oh she's passed on

2192
01:44:48,379 --> 01:44:44,599
and but his kids were concerned because

2193
01:44:51,349 --> 01:44:48,389
their father was a pronounced by stump

2194
01:44:55,449 --> 01:44:51,359
you a liar and nobody likes to have a

2195
01:44:58,429 --> 01:44:55,459
dad called the wire so George Smiley ass

2196
01:45:00,679 --> 01:44:58,439
checked out of that I took odd jobs was

2197
01:45:03,500 --> 01:45:00,689
the photographer a spot to look into a

2198
01:45:03,949 --> 01:45:03,510
bond that's he says we forgot all about

2199
01:45:11,929 --> 01:45:03,959
it

2200
01:45:13,189 --> 01:45:11,939
blue three let's go into this in our

2201
01:45:15,559 --> 01:45:13,199
next segment because we have another

2202
01:45:17,750 --> 01:45:15,569
cliffhanger okay all right

2203
01:45:22,140 --> 01:45:17,760
Ron Regehr with Gene and Chris you're in

2204
01:45:22,150 --> 01:45:27,030
[Music]

2205
01:45:32,110 --> 01:45:29,230
independently leading the way for the

2206
01:45:36,970 --> 01:45:32,120
nation compelling talk for every

2207
01:45:38,500 --> 01:45:36,980
political persuasion we all see and you

2208
01:45:40,420 --> 01:45:38,510
know it's coming the signs that you're

2209
01:45:42,280 --> 01:45:40,430
starting to age the wrinkles that

2210
01:45:43,990 --> 01:45:42,290
weren't there before those sudden lines

2211
01:45:46,390 --> 01:45:44,000
but what if you could hold back those

2212
01:45:48,250 --> 01:45:46,400
signs for years to come that can happen

2213
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:48,260
with a proprietary new anti-aging

2214
01:45:52,870 --> 01:45:50,810
complex reinvents looking younger it's

2215
01:45:55,240 --> 01:45:52,880
like a delete button for your wrinkles

2216
01:45:57,370 --> 01:45:55,250
our philosophy is simple no wrinkles

2217
01:45:59,710 --> 01:45:57,380
allowed call one eight four four five

2218
01:46:01,990 --> 01:45:59,720
zero zero zero eight one five that's one

2219
01:46:04,630 --> 01:46:02,000
eight four four five zero zero zero

2220
01:46:07,510 --> 01:46:04,640
eight one five or go to no wrinkles

2221
01:46:09,070 --> 01:46:07,520
allowed calm hi this is Ted Anderson

2222
01:46:10,930 --> 01:46:09,080
have you ever wondered why banks

2223
01:46:12,730 --> 01:46:10,940
stockbrokers investment advisors won't

2224
01:46:14,500 --> 01:46:12,740
talk about gold IRAs they've been

2225
01:46:16,270 --> 01:46:14,510
available since nineteen eighty six yet

2226
01:46:17,830 --> 01:46:16,280
the financial industry won't recognize

2227
01:46:20,170 --> 01:46:17,840
the value of gold for your retirement

2228
01:46:22,360 --> 01:46:20,180
coal has outperformed paper investments

2229
01:46:24,480 --> 01:46:22,370
yet no word about IRAs if you would like

2230
01:46:27,220 --> 01:46:24,490
to have gold for your retirement call

2231
01:46:28,930 --> 01:46:27,230
866 two two three seven don't get left

2232
01:46:32,110 --> 01:46:28,940
behind by rising inflation and low

2233
01:46:37,890 --> 01:46:32,120
returns call 866 two two three seven

2234
01:46:42,240 --> 01:46:39,980
we live in a complicated society

2235
01:46:44,070 --> 01:46:42,250
stressful issues are always popping up

2236
01:46:45,900 --> 01:46:44,080
have you ever been treated unfairly by

2237
01:46:47,640 --> 01:46:45,910
someone have you ever been overcharged

2238
01:46:49,710 --> 01:46:47,650
for a repair have you ever signed a

2239
01:46:52,020 --> 01:46:49,720
contract or a document worried about

2240
01:46:53,700 --> 01:46:52,030
identity theft how many times have you

2241
01:46:55,200 --> 01:46:53,710
been in those unique situations where

2242
01:46:56,970 --> 01:46:55,210
you just wanted to call an attorney to

2243
01:46:59,040 --> 01:46:56,980
find out if you're right or wrong or

2244
01:47:00,270 --> 01:46:59,050
what your legal rights are but every

2245
01:47:02,520 --> 01:47:00,280
time you think about calling an attorney

2246
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:02,530
what do you think about first that's

2247
01:47:04,950 --> 01:47:03,010
right

2248
01:47:07,350 --> 01:47:04,960
who do you call and how much will it

2249
01:47:09,150 --> 01:47:07,360
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2250
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2251
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2252
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2254
01:47:20,790 --> 01:47:19,000
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2255
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2256
01:47:25,110 --> 01:47:22,900
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2257
01:47:27,510 --> 01:47:25,120
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2258
01:47:30,240 --> 01:47:27,520
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2259
01:47:32,340 --> 01:47:30,250
that's LS protection calm or call eight

2260
01:47:34,710 --> 01:47:32,350
five five three four zero save eight

2261
01:47:36,750 --> 01:47:34,720
five five three four zero seventy two

2262
01:47:41,980 --> 01:47:36,760
eighty three results will vary from case

2263
01:47:47,790 --> 01:47:44,060
[Applause]

2264
01:47:52,100 --> 01:47:47,800
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2265
01:47:56,080 --> 01:47:52,110
standard of paranormal radio and now

2266
01:47:58,760 --> 01:47:56,090
here's Jane Steinberg

2267
01:48:01,350 --> 01:47:58,770
[Music]

2268
01:48:03,630 --> 01:48:01,360
we haven't mentioned it so much on the

2269
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:03,640
show so far but by the way if you go to

2270
01:48:08,150 --> 01:48:05,530
the parent cast calm that's the para

2271
01:48:11,190 --> 01:48:08,160
cast calm sign up for our weekly

2272
01:48:14,070 --> 01:48:11,200
newsletter the power cast newsletter you

2273
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:14,080
sign up we'll get to you a free copy of

2274
01:48:18,390 --> 01:48:16,810
the ebook version of secrets of the

2275
01:48:20,940 --> 01:48:18,400
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2276
01:48:23,820 --> 01:48:20,950
O'Brien free copy of his book the eBook

2277
01:48:26,550 --> 01:48:23,830
version go to the parent cast come sign

2278
01:48:28,890 --> 01:48:26,560
up for our newsletter Ron Regehr we're

2279
01:48:32,010 --> 01:48:28,900
going back to Roswell and the person who

2280
01:48:38,360 --> 01:48:32,020
photographed this captured whatever it

2281
01:48:45,840 --> 01:48:42,060
pink was left by 70 friend I'm not

2282
01:48:50,010 --> 01:48:45,850
rehearsed 16 by 20 they're large format

2283
01:48:52,230 --> 01:48:50,020
press and took it down to Staples and

2284
01:48:54,620 --> 01:48:52,240
none of them hearts perfect six of that

2285
01:48:57,300 --> 01:48:54,630
and sure enough looked like what we're

2286
01:49:01,230 --> 01:48:57,310
hieroglyphic markings on it that was you

2287
01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:01,240
can't our search part way through that

2288
01:49:07,740 --> 01:49:03,730
and one of those one of the images when

2289
01:49:12,120 --> 01:49:07,750
I ordered 16 by 20 pounds of of all four

2290
01:49:14,790 --> 01:49:12,130
images of the University of Texas

2291
01:49:18,390 --> 01:49:14,800
Arlington is the repository of the

2292
01:49:20,580 --> 01:49:18,400
original negatives and I ordered 60 by

2293
01:49:25,200 --> 01:49:20,590
20 trips I started looking out of and on

2294
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:25,210
a 16 by 20 print quarters for an answer

2295
01:49:32,850 --> 01:49:29,770
less by two inches or so is a piece of

2296
01:49:35,550 --> 01:49:32,860
paper inspiration now remember a 16 by

2297
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:35,560
20 prints pretty big and have something

2298
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:37,930
which cut about it's about the size of a

2299
01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:42,130
postage stamp then enlarge that and by

2300
01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:46,330
gosh we everybody without anything any

2301
01:49:52,620 --> 01:49:49,930
skill any brother have pilgrimage Henry

2302
01:49:56,430 --> 01:49:52,630
Fort Worth Texas I mean it's as plain as

2303
01:50:00,210 --> 01:49:56,440
day and that started us on our quest to

2304
01:50:02,910 --> 01:50:00,220
look and all the stuff all of material

2305
01:50:04,680 --> 01:50:02,920
all the supports that we could find it

2306
01:50:07,410 --> 01:50:04,690
that they've all right now we call it

2307
01:50:10,109 --> 01:50:07,420
the range office Nepal or Arles it's

2308
01:50:13,739 --> 01:50:10,119
read about 80 percent of it

2309
01:50:16,049 --> 01:50:13,749
I would say 50% with pretty good clarity

2310
01:50:19,469 --> 01:50:16,059
we're not looking at clouds of the sky

2311
01:50:21,869 --> 01:50:19,479
which other 30% of the 80% could be

2312
01:50:23,609 --> 01:50:21,879
interpreted and could could be our cue

2313
01:50:27,869 --> 01:50:23,619
to its plows in the sky but it makes

2314
01:50:29,759 --> 01:50:27,879
sense in context it's a analogous to

2315
01:50:32,729 --> 01:50:29,769
working on a crossword puzzle if you've

2316
01:50:37,109 --> 01:50:32,739
got the watch five letters that begin

2317
01:50:40,259 --> 01:50:37,119
with a and in whisky well what snobbish

2318
01:50:41,969 --> 01:50:40,269
words spit that well above sense and it

2319
01:50:43,829 --> 01:50:41,979
makes sense with the words on either

2320
01:50:46,979 --> 01:50:43,839
side of it could we say that that's the

2321
01:50:49,049 --> 01:50:46,989
word that is above no but one other word

2322
01:50:53,250 --> 01:50:49,059
starts with pain is which looks like a

2323
01:50:57,149 --> 01:50:53,260
baby Yoshi over here oh that's that's

2324
01:51:00,179 --> 01:50:57,159
some of the challenges okay but more

2325
01:51:02,399 --> 01:51:00,189
than the milk of the pillows almost it's

2326
01:51:07,399 --> 01:51:02,409
possible that's where you get into the

2327
01:51:09,989 --> 01:51:07,409
esoteric arguments is it to be itself

2328
01:51:12,209 --> 01:51:09,999
bottom line has nothing there that's

2329
01:51:13,969 --> 01:51:12,219
part of a Bogle whether below and part

2330
01:51:16,109 --> 01:51:13,979
of another way of weather balloon

2331
01:51:19,770 --> 01:51:16,119
mysterious stuff the beams are hollow

2332
01:51:23,279 --> 01:51:19,780
there's text metal there's what looks

2333
01:51:25,619 --> 01:51:23,289
like it needs to blast there's the pages

2334
01:51:27,359 --> 01:51:25,629
the solder rolling down leaving a trail

2335
01:51:31,229 --> 01:51:27,369
I mean there's there's some intriguing

2336
01:51:33,540 --> 01:51:31,239
stuff but nothing in there is part of a

2337
01:51:35,429 --> 01:51:33,550
mogul but what is it I don't know if

2338
01:51:37,379 --> 01:51:35,439
it's UFO I've never seen the past you

2339
01:51:39,719 --> 01:51:37,389
have all of us just another crashed UFO

2340
01:51:42,059 --> 01:51:39,729
but I know it's not what you're for said

2341
01:51:45,089 --> 01:51:42,069
it was not what the Air Force said it is

2342
01:51:48,239 --> 01:51:45,099
they tried to convince us by sending us

2343
01:51:51,299 --> 01:51:48,249
to publishing to horse which volumes

2344
01:51:53,489 --> 01:51:51,309
which they change paginate which makes

2345
01:51:55,859 --> 01:51:53,499
it a lot of fun to go through is try to

2346
01:51:59,729 --> 01:51:55,869
follow them so that's what we're doing

2347
01:52:02,609 --> 01:51:59,739
now is I'm starting to dump us halfway

2348
01:52:05,239 --> 01:52:02,619
through makes your book working title

2349
01:52:09,509 --> 01:52:05,249
swap another name Roswell book and

2350
01:52:10,979 --> 01:52:09,519
showing the results of all of you like

2351
01:52:13,259 --> 01:52:10,989
that like this

2352
01:52:18,959 --> 01:52:13,269
there's no advances on these three

2353
01:52:22,779 --> 01:52:18,969
office photos up the time of take that

2354
01:52:26,109 --> 01:52:22,789
well here so you look through the window

2355
01:52:28,509 --> 01:52:26,119
one of the photographs you can see front

2356
01:52:30,370 --> 01:52:28,519
bumper and license plate dream of what

2357
01:52:33,370 --> 01:52:30,380
turns out your fortune opportunity which

2358
01:52:35,020 --> 01:52:33,380
is to staff Virgil Rainey head and

2359
01:52:37,930 --> 01:52:35,030
there's a shadow there well knowing the

2360
01:52:39,939 --> 01:52:37,940
lattices hunch to it and the shadow of

2361
01:52:42,009 --> 01:52:39,949
nature shadow angle we can determine the

2362
01:52:46,479 --> 01:52:42,019
time of day that's called science boys

2363
01:52:49,209 --> 01:52:46,489
girls and that's what we did and we can

2364
01:52:51,459 --> 01:52:49,219
start up maybe they're worth more than

2365
01:52:54,189 --> 01:52:51,469
one photographer although bonds of

2366
01:52:57,339 --> 01:52:54,199
primitive self in both circles with

2367
01:53:00,899 --> 01:52:57,349
being the only photography Germans from

2368
01:53:03,100 --> 01:53:00,909
all supplies why would be only

2369
01:53:05,259 --> 01:53:03,110
photographers there why he was there

2370
01:53:08,140 --> 01:53:05,269
first why general range called the Star

2371
01:53:09,459 --> 01:53:08,150
Telegram to have them come out while

2372
01:53:12,100 --> 01:53:09,469
they were touring she did call anybody

2373
01:53:15,640 --> 01:53:12,110
else killed the Star Telegram a big

2374
01:53:18,759 --> 01:53:15,650
paper and will let you know that some

2375
01:53:21,580 --> 01:53:18,769
later on so there's a lot of intrigue

2376
01:53:24,939 --> 01:53:21,590
and a lot of really fun stuff any

2377
01:53:27,060 --> 01:53:24,949
thought of that so yep that's what we're

2378
01:53:30,339 --> 01:53:27,070
working on this reflective finish

2379
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:30,349
nothing in there is focal nothing in

2380
01:53:34,240 --> 01:53:32,090
there's part of weather bluff everybody

2381
01:53:35,850 --> 01:53:34,250
was picking up weather balloon suit

2382
01:53:39,669 --> 01:53:35,860
matter they were launching several

2383
01:53:41,859 --> 01:53:39,679
birthday sometimes of son basis hourly

2384
01:53:43,720 --> 01:53:41,869
where the balloon launch because I

2385
01:53:48,819 --> 01:53:43,730
didn't have satellite technology to

2386
01:53:51,850 --> 01:53:48,829
determine when pointed out things

2387
01:53:54,850 --> 01:53:51,860
like that so as a result we had a

2388
01:53:56,799 --> 01:53:54,860
plethora of weather books my wife picked

2389
01:53:58,600 --> 01:53:56,809
up they were there below my supposed a

2390
01:54:01,870 --> 01:53:58,610
young child's work they're living on a

2391
01:54:02,830 --> 01:54:01,880
farm back well she knew what I want she

2392
01:54:05,770 --> 01:54:02,840
was seven years old

2393
01:54:09,069 --> 01:54:05,780
so to say that both did tell the chief

2394
01:54:11,740 --> 01:54:09,079
farm group the 509th dropped atomic bomb

2395
01:54:14,169 --> 01:54:11,750
on Hiroshima and Nagasaki couldn't

2396
01:54:17,890 --> 01:54:14,179
identify whether for Laurie or balloons

2397
01:54:20,379 --> 01:54:17,900
who had another fishing if he did makes

2398
01:54:23,020 --> 01:54:20,389
no sense at all one thing wrong about

2399
01:54:24,850 --> 01:54:23,030
this whole scenario that you brought up

2400
01:54:27,100 --> 01:54:24,860
to me in a conversation we had some

2401
01:54:28,959 --> 01:54:27,110
years back was that because of the

2402
01:54:32,230 --> 01:54:28,969
timing of the press conference and

2403
01:54:34,540 --> 01:54:32,240
because of the urgency to

2404
01:54:37,330 --> 01:54:34,550
get ahead of this story and debunk it

2405
01:54:39,670 --> 01:54:37,340
that you feel that there's a possibility

2406
01:54:40,900 --> 01:54:39,680
that the real records was actually drug

2407
01:54:46,390 --> 01:54:40,910
in there because they didn't have time

2408
01:54:51,490 --> 01:54:46,400
to replace it recalls that you could see

2409
01:54:54,310 --> 01:54:51,500
in the pictures brown paper bags with

2410
01:54:58,600 --> 01:54:54,320
where something still in them recalls

2411
01:55:00,810 --> 01:54:58,610
but no this is just junk they're spread

2412
01:55:04,990 --> 01:55:00,820
about trying to make it look presentable

2413
01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:05,000
so he was way ahead of the story general

2414
01:55:11,620 --> 01:55:09,410
ramey according to this Beach expose for

2415
01:55:13,780 --> 01:55:11,630
Colonel DuBose was down at the

2416
01:55:17,110 --> 01:55:13,790
flightline checkout 50:29

2417
01:55:21,280 --> 01:55:17,120
and had the reputation he's 29 all the

2418
01:55:26,110 --> 01:55:21,290
wreckage up to down from Roswell that

2419
01:55:32,230 --> 01:55:26,120
parcel in Fort Worth so there was a lot

2420
01:55:35,980 --> 01:55:32,240
of records memories from witnesses say

2421
01:55:40,060 --> 01:55:35,990
that Brazil the original rancher want

2422
01:55:42,630 --> 01:55:40,070
the piece of it into a shed but music

2423
01:55:45,390 --> 01:55:42,640
instructor there's all kinds of

2424
01:55:49,440 --> 01:55:45,400
discrepancies between the official

2425
01:55:52,330 --> 01:55:49,450
worship and hundreds of witnesses the

2426
01:55:54,370 --> 01:55:52,340
we're depending on for the most part on

2427
01:55:57,850 --> 01:55:54,380
ours we're not going out doing a lot of

2428
01:56:00,540 --> 01:55:57,860
witness interviews with him or since

2429
01:56:04,210 --> 01:56:00,550
Great Britain and I are doing a the

2430
01:56:06,640 --> 01:56:04,220
resurrection so so to speak and there's

2431
01:56:08,770 --> 01:56:06,650
no need to go off hand do a lot of work

2432
01:56:11,560 --> 01:56:08,780
this besides a lot of them are passed on

2433
01:56:14,050 --> 01:56:11,570
but there's been some excellent work

2434
01:56:16,060 --> 01:56:14,060
done and we're relying on that work to

2435
01:56:19,450 --> 01:56:16,070
sort of fill in some of the gaps as to

2436
01:56:21,040 --> 01:56:19,460
where we got to where we are and we're

2437
01:56:25,180 --> 01:56:21,050
relying on the photographs themselves

2438
01:56:27,010 --> 01:56:25,190
they they tell the story that's there's

2439
01:56:32,640 --> 01:56:27,020
electrical pendant what appears to be an

2440
01:56:36,790 --> 01:56:32,650
electrical connector a lot of spats but

2441
01:56:40,870 --> 01:56:36,800
all like he's on little equipment

2442
01:56:45,479 --> 01:56:40,880
together this trucks its welders that

2443
01:56:48,840 --> 01:56:45,489
are supposedly bamboo or Hollow just

2444
01:56:51,330 --> 01:56:48,850
fascinating stuff and we didn't use a

2445
01:56:53,400 --> 01:56:51,340
watch if I call digital manipulation we

2446
01:56:55,200 --> 01:56:53,410
changed contrast a little bit sometimes

2447
01:56:56,880 --> 01:56:55,210
because like on the demo there's some

2448
01:56:59,760 --> 01:56:56,890
parts that are more dominated others

2449
01:57:02,220 --> 01:56:59,770
nothing that anybody that has a home

2450
01:57:05,190 --> 01:57:02,230
computer it just Photoshop but although

2451
01:57:08,190 --> 01:57:05,200
we use this contrast and adjustments in

2452
01:57:10,350 --> 01:57:08,200
right let's suggest that's it let's move

2453
01:57:11,910 --> 01:57:10,360
past Roscoe I'm gonna ask just one

2454
01:57:13,800 --> 01:57:11,920
question and we'll move past it because

2455
01:57:15,650 --> 01:57:13,810
we've covered it so often and that is

2456
01:57:18,900 --> 01:57:15,660
and we'll get to it in the next segment

2457
01:57:21,510 --> 01:57:18,910
whether there will ever be an answer to

2458
01:57:23,310 --> 01:57:21,520
Roswell or is it just basically covering

2459
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the same old ground over and over again

2460
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Ron Berger joins Jean and Chris you're

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2552
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para cast gone so maybe this photo

2553
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analysis will have some clues but

2554
02:02:08,300 --> 02:02:05,160
overall really the final proof of

2555
02:02:11,240 --> 02:02:08,310
Roswell is the crashed spaceship if it

2556
02:02:15,440 --> 02:02:11,250
exists still how we're going to solve it

2557
02:02:20,180 --> 02:02:15,450
I don't ever solve it per se like any

2558
02:02:23,540 --> 02:02:20,190
other of history or prime if you all not

2559
02:02:26,840 --> 02:02:23,550
all don't need to always be the body to

2560
02:02:30,560 --> 02:02:26,850
connect enix for murder a preponderance

2561
02:02:35,150 --> 02:02:30,570
of evidence beyond a race called out to

2562
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us and I think we've just proven beyond

2563
02:02:40,250 --> 02:02:37,980
any doubt whatsoever that what Air Force

2564
02:02:44,930 --> 02:02:40,260
planes all first times they change their

2565
02:02:47,840 --> 02:02:44,940
story three times have a tip at so are

2566
02:02:50,660 --> 02:02:47,850
they gonna come clean page I am though

2567
02:02:54,350 --> 02:02:50,670
incentive to but I think it's important

2568
02:02:57,610 --> 02:02:54,360
to shed light and release the

2569
02:02:59,479 --> 02:02:57,620
information that we have so the

2570
02:03:01,490 --> 02:02:59,489
intelligent people can make their own

2571
02:03:04,100 --> 02:03:01,500
determination the water really happened

2572
02:03:05,660 --> 02:03:04,110
and that's what we're trying to do and

2573
02:03:08,060 --> 02:03:05,670
we're doing work that nobody else has

2574
02:03:10,400 --> 02:03:08,070
done Chris you I get some more questions

2575
02:03:12,860 --> 02:03:10,410
sure I was just gonna say just one thing

2576
02:03:15,560 --> 02:03:12,870
before we leave the whole subject of

2577
02:03:18,940 --> 02:03:15,570
Roswell do you know if this Ramey memo

2578
02:03:21,860 --> 02:03:18,950
and photographic analysis work has been

2579
02:03:24,200 --> 02:03:21,870
embraced by the so called Roswell dream

2580
02:03:33,770 --> 02:03:24,210
team headed up by Kevin Randle and

2581
02:03:35,120 --> 02:03:33,780
others like some of the some of the type

2582
02:03:38,390 --> 02:03:35,130
of information they would jump all over

2583
02:03:46,610 --> 02:03:38,400
because it is it is a fresh approach to

2584
02:03:50,630 --> 02:03:46,620
a very down beaten horse not a fan of

2585
02:03:54,530 --> 02:03:50,640
bahjat Kevin in turn his boss there will

2586
02:03:57,800 --> 02:03:54,540
got different answers a lot of us

2587
02:04:00,140 --> 02:03:57,810
because boss just didn't remember and

2588
02:04:02,660 --> 02:04:00,150
after he talked to different people oh

2589
02:04:06,830 --> 02:04:02,670
yeah I've ever the same as all of us

2590
02:04:09,680 --> 02:04:06,840
have changed as it it's the best for 50

2591
02:04:12,050 --> 02:04:09,690
years ago if we start thinking about so

2592
02:04:13,550 --> 02:04:12,060
Canada I'm sure we'll get to pay Sears

2593
02:04:16,850 --> 02:04:13,560
for my so-called

2594
02:04:20,300 --> 02:04:16,860
careful experts to the gold standard of

2595
02:04:23,180 --> 02:04:20,310
a crown for solids okay that's why in

2596
02:04:25,100 --> 02:04:23,190
the book I really want to present above

2597
02:04:28,100 --> 02:04:25,110
an electronic copy where people look at

2598
02:04:31,040 --> 02:04:28,110
the images and where people can look at

2599
02:04:35,480 --> 02:04:31,050
the images we've got bet dollar on

2600
02:04:37,820 --> 02:04:35,490
produced we're not doing a magic we're

2601
02:04:39,710 --> 02:04:37,830
not hiding anything with us where they

2602
02:04:44,870 --> 02:04:39,720
spawn an old killer we're turning up

2603
02:04:53,480 --> 02:04:44,880
dirt doesn't matter how much you dig you

2604
02:04:55,670 --> 02:04:53,490
always seem to uncover more dirt the

2605
02:04:59,240 --> 02:04:55,680
truth is we know from what we've done a

2606
02:05:00,620 --> 02:04:59,250
lie so the people can make their own

2607
02:05:03,560 --> 02:05:00,630
determination so there's just stuff that

2608
02:05:04,960 --> 02:05:03,570
nobody sees nobody sir nobody's done

2609
02:05:07,160 --> 02:05:04,970
this before

2610
02:05:11,330 --> 02:05:07,170
yeah well it's always good to come up

2611
02:05:14,060 --> 02:05:11,340
with a fresh angle of approach in old

2612
02:05:15,980 --> 02:05:14,070
cold cases like this now let's kind of

2613
02:05:19,700 --> 02:05:15,990
move on a little bit and talk about some

2614
02:05:23,260 --> 02:05:19,710
of your more recent pursuits one of

2615
02:05:27,010 --> 02:05:23,270
which is the the very intense study of

2616
02:05:28,220 --> 02:05:27,020
southwestern Indian or Native American

2617
02:05:30,980 --> 02:05:28,230
petroglyphs

2618
02:05:32,810 --> 02:05:30,990
now you've been working on this for

2619
02:05:35,180 --> 02:05:32,820
quite some time I've made a number of

2620
02:05:37,130 --> 02:05:35,190
trips with you you've taken me to some

2621
02:05:39,650 --> 02:05:37,140
very very intriguing petroglyph sites

2622
02:05:42,650 --> 02:05:39,660
we've got a number of questions in our

2623
02:05:44,540 --> 02:05:42,660
forum at forum dr. Peric ascom that

2624
02:05:47,540 --> 02:05:44,550
relates to this kind of work and and I

2625
02:05:49,760 --> 02:05:47,550
think people are generally interested in

2626
02:05:52,970 --> 02:05:49,770
how you've come about with your

2627
02:05:54,350 --> 02:05:52,980
interpretive skills but based on the

2628
02:05:57,770 --> 02:05:54,360
amount of work that you've done and

2629
02:06:00,800 --> 02:05:57,780
weighed Ridsdale who is one of our are

2630
02:06:04,020 --> 02:06:00,810
just esteemed posters at forum dr. Peric

2631
02:06:07,169 --> 02:06:04,030
ascom he just passed the three

2632
02:06:09,149 --> 02:06:07,179
thousand postmark there's not many of us

2633
02:06:12,390 --> 02:06:09,159
on the form of myself included that have

2634
02:06:14,669 --> 02:06:12,400
posted 3,000 posts but he says regarding

2635
02:06:16,919 --> 02:06:14,679
your work studying the abduction contact

2636
02:06:19,080 --> 02:06:16,929
experience with the local native peoples

2637
02:06:21,899 --> 02:06:19,090
he wonders first of all how far back

2638
02:06:24,330 --> 02:06:21,909
does this research go and he mentions

2639
02:06:27,060 --> 02:06:24,340
that you know we often talk here at the

2640
02:06:30,180 --> 02:06:27,070
para cast about how certain time periods

2641
02:06:32,220 --> 02:06:30,190
tend to produce visual evidence that may

2642
02:06:34,729 --> 02:06:32,230
be reflective of the technology of the

2643
02:06:38,580 --> 02:06:34,739
times when it relates to images of

2644
02:06:40,770 --> 02:06:38,590
potential craft or aliens and he wants

2645
02:06:43,250 --> 02:06:40,780
to know if there's some sort of

2646
02:06:45,660 --> 02:06:43,260
religious component to the petroglyph

2647
02:06:49,379 --> 02:06:45,670
depictions of what appear to be alien

2648
02:06:51,180 --> 02:06:49,389
types and and crafts you know he wonders

2649
02:06:53,549 --> 02:06:51,190
if you found a similar progression in

2650
02:06:56,129 --> 02:06:53,559
reports of this type involving Native

2651
02:06:58,709 --> 02:06:56,139
Americans and he wonders if there's some

2652
02:07:02,069 --> 02:06:58,719
sort of evolution among petroglyph

2653
02:07:03,660 --> 02:07:02,079
images in terms of depicting of what may

2654
02:07:06,560 --> 02:07:03,670
be alien types and whether these are

2655
02:07:09,510 --> 02:07:06,570
just simply religious depictions are the

2656
02:07:13,109 --> 02:07:09,520
depictions of based on some sort of

2657
02:07:15,930 --> 02:07:13,119
psychotropic plants or give us your your

2658
02:07:17,640 --> 02:07:15,940
background in this field and how your

2659
02:07:21,060 --> 02:07:17,650
thinking has evolved in this particular

2660
02:07:24,359 --> 02:07:21,070
realm okay last speak the first there's

2661
02:07:27,870 --> 02:07:24,369
absolutely no evidence then for now but

2662
02:07:30,990 --> 02:07:27,880
any of these writers and I call this

2663
02:07:33,779 --> 02:07:31,000
writers as opposed to artists of just a

2664
02:07:37,229 --> 02:07:33,789
psychotropic classes they go today and

2665
02:07:40,709 --> 02:07:37,239
they didn't send these I can make that

2666
02:07:44,430 --> 02:07:40,719
straight state firm is they seem to be

2667
02:07:48,870 --> 02:07:44,440
the predecessors are the ancestors of

2668
02:07:51,959 --> 02:07:48,880
the Lost people they would call them I

2669
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think they are capable or the ancestral

2670
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Puebloans the Zuni to the Hopi the

2671
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laguna the people who today inhabits a

2672
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lot of the southwest and it live in

2673
02:08:07,740 --> 02:08:04,500
proposed oh let's just call them

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collectively Hopi and Zuni because I

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don't people casting aspersions on

2676
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anyone but that's that seems to be where

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most of the guac Raj correlates to

2678
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I found three fights so far that the

2679
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glyphs picked accurately a story or a

2680
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myth or legend within Hopi or one of

2681
02:08:37,979 --> 02:08:35,500
them was the glyph of a big snake that

2682
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was tossed off a cliff or tossed out and

2683
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or regurgitate out of its mouth but you

2684
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could see the people flying out of the

2685
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vector glad for a snake and the people

2686
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still inside the snake and that's that's

2687
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a one of the whole pledge its call that

2688
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well that's it is inscribed it rocked it

2689
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the story is told right there another

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one who is the story of the development

2691
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of the Hopi snake dance that's that's a

2692
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beautiful series of glyphs that shows

2693
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the end result exactly the way the snake

2694
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dance is performed today an interesting

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one opposed to where I lived until I

2696
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moved to Arizona is a glyph of Samba he

2697
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he was the god of the boat plan and back

2698
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in the day the boat plan had been that

2699
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the seal took the corn of big stink land

2700
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and they the war and the babies fought

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the war mythology with the deity of the

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boat plan he's lost and as punishment

2703
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for all eternity he has to go around but

2704
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the snake it is not and so there's a big

2705
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cliff above this what would have been a

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cornfield there's water elevated rough

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and there's some icky on the third base

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with us naked about which is to because

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keep out and this is what I happened to

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you know that's what this field if this

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is not open so this is Brok right as

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correlate to legends and stories that

2713
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are still being told

2714
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let's discuss the rock writing and more

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[Music]

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02:14:59,310 --> 02:14:55,810
tell us more about the rock writing how

2825
02:15:05,520 --> 02:14:59,320
detailed is it how and what doesn't

2826
02:15:09,420 --> 02:15:05,530
depict Ron - Chris - it's a triptych

2827
02:15:13,020 --> 02:15:09,430
there's three panels on one raw rockers

2828
02:15:15,510 --> 02:15:13,030
uh as your jaw just gonna kicked out how

2829
02:15:18,530 --> 02:15:15,520
I found that I was kind of stacked off

2830
02:15:21,660 --> 02:15:18,540
your the jokai aren't salacious

2831
02:15:23,820 --> 02:15:21,670
Johnson's next there's this great big

2832
02:15:25,920 --> 02:15:23,830
rock all by itself about a mile off a

2833
02:15:29,130 --> 02:15:25,930
dirt road and it's got four foot tall

2834
02:15:31,800 --> 02:15:29,140
aliens on it you're gonna love it

2835
02:15:33,570 --> 02:15:31,810
well after seven hours of searching I

2836
02:15:36,090 --> 02:15:33,580
polish they're about what would you say

2837
02:15:39,720 --> 02:15:36,100
sure it's four inches tall something

2838
02:15:45,270 --> 02:15:39,730
like that anyway let it right so the

2839
02:15:48,960 --> 02:15:45,280
first panel person fleeing from lots of

2840
02:15:54,000 --> 02:15:48,970
all the flights trip oh the next panel

2841
02:15:58,020 --> 02:15:54,010
shows you being captured or taken by a

2842
02:16:00,690 --> 02:15:58,030
flying Serpent and the next panel shows

2843
02:16:03,660 --> 02:16:00,700
him being returned by a spirit purse

2844
02:16:07,190 --> 02:16:03,670
after his return was blocked by a

2845
02:16:10,440 --> 02:16:07,200
serpent so that's that's one introduced

2846
02:16:13,230 --> 02:16:10,450
holder series of panels there and so one

2847
02:16:15,840 --> 02:16:13,240
take your spear listeners should pop if

2848
02:16:17,850 --> 02:16:15,850
you realize and it no TV most of - is

2849
02:16:21,120 --> 02:16:17,860
that you asked the question about are

2850
02:16:23,640 --> 02:16:21,130
these religious in nature or temporal so

2851
02:16:27,300 --> 02:16:23,650
to speak there is no distinctive

2852
02:16:30,960 --> 02:16:27,310
separation between the two most of the

2853
02:16:34,740 --> 02:16:30,970
pages that I know of don't really put

2854
02:16:37,950 --> 02:16:34,750
their church on a Sunday and live their

2855
02:16:40,440 --> 02:16:37,960
lives differently to the same extent

2856
02:16:41,370 --> 02:16:40,450
that white people do the two are

2857
02:16:46,799 --> 02:16:41,380
intervals

2858
02:16:50,490 --> 02:16:46,809
there's magic in spirit and with God in

2859
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almost everything and so our earth other

2860
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is its sacred is

2861
02:17:00,089 --> 02:16:56,260
everything else it's all just to

2862
02:17:03,419 --> 02:17:00,099
separate the is a really proper thing to

2863
02:17:04,949 --> 02:17:03,429
do their inter woven in their culture in

2864
02:17:08,580 --> 02:17:04,959
their beliefs in the way they live their

2865
02:17:12,179 --> 02:17:08,590
lives so there they just there is part

2866
02:17:14,699 --> 02:17:12,189
of it so I I would to Chester we we

2867
02:17:17,489 --> 02:17:14,709
don't try to look at it as two separate

2868
02:17:21,089 --> 02:17:17,499
spaces of something going on the

2869
02:17:23,339 --> 02:17:21,099
writings themselves there are the Saints

2870
02:17:26,040 --> 02:17:23,349
are off the world and they want to learn

2871
02:17:30,979 --> 02:17:26,050
how to reach them get some books on

2872
02:17:34,199 --> 02:17:30,989
Indian sign language peddle good start

2873
02:17:38,549 --> 02:17:34,209
some of the symbols on the rocks are the

2874
02:17:42,359 --> 02:17:38,559
same as the sign language so you've seen

2875
02:17:44,369 --> 02:17:42,369
western movies where the navies for one

2876
02:17:46,169 --> 02:17:44,379
driver speaking to another tribe Peter

2877
02:17:48,089 --> 02:17:46,179
of us speak to each other's language but

2878
02:17:49,559 --> 02:17:48,099
they move or your hands is almost like

2879
02:17:51,599 --> 02:17:49,569
American sign language can they

2880
02:17:54,209 --> 02:17:51,609
understand that's the same thing that's

2881
02:17:57,629 --> 02:17:54,219
of sign language oh great ice Kody has

2882
02:18:00,299 --> 02:17:57,639
the book our iron eyes glow - oh I can't

2883
02:18:01,589 --> 02:18:00,309
read all of the folks that there's quite

2884
02:18:05,969 --> 02:18:01,599
a few up if you want to learn how to

2885
02:18:08,219 --> 02:18:05,979
read the symbols and to do any I'll

2886
02:18:11,489 --> 02:18:08,229
study it's it's a fascinating field of

2887
02:18:15,089 --> 02:18:11,499
it ever again there's been panels that I

2888
02:18:19,229 --> 02:18:15,099
found that so there's one up there of

2889
02:18:22,500 --> 02:18:19,239
north of Moab that there's 14 large

2890
02:18:28,049 --> 02:18:22,510
life-sized picture pictographs of

2891
02:18:31,439 --> 02:18:28,059
painted with Caitlyn dyes that the 5,000

2892
02:18:33,540 --> 02:18:31,449
years old and across the valley 800

2893
02:18:37,349 --> 02:18:33,550
guards hundred 50 yards away it's like

2894
02:18:41,129 --> 02:18:37,359
five other images and they're all red

2895
02:18:44,099 --> 02:18:41,139
they just put kind of nasty it turns out

2896
02:18:46,379 --> 02:18:44,109
those are the Watchers on the 14 of the

2897
02:18:47,969 --> 02:18:46,389
Watchers keeping watch over the funnel

2898
02:18:51,359 --> 02:18:47,979
on the other side of the valley

2899
02:18:53,969 --> 02:18:51,369
keep back the skinwalker which is made

2900
02:18:56,399 --> 02:18:53,979
famous by George Knapp recalled

2901
02:18:58,979 --> 02:18:56,409
Kelleher's book that a in Walker ranch

2902
02:19:01,379 --> 02:18:58,989
tell if there's tie-ins between this

2903
02:19:04,589 --> 02:19:01,389
speech in history so I hope how's the PC

2904
02:19:05,669 --> 02:19:04,599
and today can these writings and it's

2905
02:19:07,350 --> 02:19:05,679
essentially

2906
02:19:11,041 --> 02:19:07,360
sin that's uh

2907
02:19:12,780 --> 02:19:11,051
going for fixes the single Canyon glyphs

2908
02:19:15,750 --> 02:19:12,790
or some of the most impressive I have

2909
02:19:18,930 --> 02:19:15,760
personally ever seen the image of the

2910
02:19:23,670 --> 02:19:18,940
horned guardian for lack of a better

2911
02:19:27,240 --> 02:19:23,680
term just had a just a very almost

2912
02:19:30,630 --> 02:19:27,250
disturbing vibe to it that it's very

2913
02:19:33,750 --> 02:19:30,640
hard to describe you almost have to

2914
02:19:35,581 --> 02:19:33,760
stand in front of it and and really kind

2915
02:19:37,680 --> 02:19:35,591
of soak it in I would be the only way I

2916
02:19:39,870 --> 02:19:37,690
could describe it but it's also

2917
02:19:43,470 --> 02:19:39,880
interesting that that say go Canyon area

2918
02:19:47,640 --> 02:19:43,480
with these almost life-size figures is

2919
02:19:52,440 --> 02:19:47,650
right at the very southern tip of the

2920
02:19:54,930 --> 02:19:52,450
Uintah Indian Reservation and if you

2921
02:19:57,270 --> 02:19:54,940
continue up that Canyon you then enter

2922
02:20:00,841 --> 02:19:57,280
into the southwestern portion of the

2923
02:20:03,841 --> 02:20:00,851
wina Basin not even a ute reservation

2924
02:20:06,480 --> 02:20:03,851
which of course is the location for the

2925
02:20:09,091 --> 02:20:06,490
north and east of the infamous Sherman

2926
02:20:11,310 --> 02:20:09,101
ranch or this can walk a ranch case now

2927
02:20:14,041 --> 02:20:11,320
correct me if I'm wrong but you ran for

2928
02:20:17,070 --> 02:20:14,051
Congress at one point for the district

2929
02:20:19,860 --> 02:20:17,080
that actually the skinwalker ranch is

2930
02:20:24,660 --> 02:20:19,870
located on is that correct yes for three

2931
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separate elections I did at the 15

2932
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electors but I have an interesting time

2933
02:20:36,720 --> 02:20:29,200
doing it now that wasn't part of your

2934
02:20:40,740 --> 02:20:36,730
campaign platform - no question in my

2935
02:20:43,950 --> 02:20:40,750
mind why you did not get elected but so

2936
02:20:45,751 --> 02:20:43,960
if you had been elected let's say what

2937
02:20:50,251 --> 02:20:45,761
steps would you have undertaken to get

2938
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some sort of transparency for lack of a

2939
02:20:54,600 --> 02:20:52,091
better term about what was going on up

2940
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there would you have attempted to tackle

2941
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that particular scenario and that can

2942
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or not I certainly would have wanted to

2943
02:21:13,770 --> 02:21:07,900
go on to the ranch and find out what was

2944
02:21:17,251 --> 02:21:13,780
going on and I never did do that but I

2945
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was really I was I'm still intrigued by

2946
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it but the more I know about this

2947
02:21:26,400 --> 02:21:23,170
well probably going on to the ranch

2948
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from what I've heard there's always the

2949
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best things happen up there that for

2950
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some people were answering it I don't

2951
02:21:43,381 --> 02:21:40,900
know if it's true or not but you know

2952
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it's as I get a little bit older I get

2953
02:21:48,480 --> 02:21:46,990
part very knowledge I don't have to jump

2954
02:21:52,051 --> 02:21:48,490
off the first of all the ways you hit

2955
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the bottom it hurts and I think that the

2956
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important thing is to find out from

2957
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other people just offensive how bad does

2958
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it hurt I would probably have just asked

2959
02:22:13,770 --> 02:22:11,371
where do you come down on that on the

2960
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ranch scenario you know you were state

2961
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director of Utah

2962
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you you know do have some familiarity

2963
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obviously with the case what do you

2964
02:22:24,570 --> 02:22:23,021
think is going on up there and do you

2965
02:22:27,541 --> 02:22:24,580
think it's morphed over time do you

2966
02:22:29,761 --> 02:22:27,551
think initially maybe back historically

2967
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it was one thing and then it was

2968
02:22:33,030 --> 02:22:31,360
something else once Bigelow got involved

2969
02:22:35,581 --> 02:22:33,040
and when he got the scientists up there

2970
02:22:42,650 --> 02:22:35,591
I mean it may be morphed again what do

2971
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you think let's going on for millennia

2972
02:22:51,480 --> 02:22:47,410
the figures had sagal art by the way on

2973
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the next Valley over is from what I've

2974
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been told by huge huge elders it's

2975
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always dresses up and shelter who serves

2976
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the same purpose ceremonial key of the

2977
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skinwalker for coming down and

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dispiriting

2979
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other people follow up there's no pretty

2980
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access or the other Canyon

2981
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but I think it's been going on for maybe

2982
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six seven thousand years this skinwalker

2983
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royalty-free area and wreak havoc on

2984
02:23:31,831 --> 02:23:28,061
unsuspecting people and I don't know if

2985
02:23:34,290 --> 02:23:31,841
I buy the story that it was the argument

2986
02:23:38,370 --> 02:23:34,300
between the Utes and the Navajo

2987
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and it's I don't even believe that it's

2988
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a skinwalker per se because skinwalkers

2989
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according to the Navajo our

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shape-shifting shaman types of people

2991
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and I was up in uh I'll sit over here

2992
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now with the Navajo and we're pretty

2993
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camp killed off and Walker

2994
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I said what's what's wrong and she

2995
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always got a place start at O these

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skinwalkers you gotta watch out for

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these guys we have more to talk about

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3103
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listening to the podcast so what would

3104
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it feel like if a skinwalker shot a dart

3105
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at you what's that about

3106
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Ron regear I was with the Navajos

3107
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builder and he was we were breaking

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Tampines shelled out he was upset

3109
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because of skinwalker fire does Darla

3110
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poison dart at it nasty kind of person

3111
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here right well I got the dart on my

3112
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desk here in a package I'm gonna get it

3113
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tested from a organic chemist to see if

3114
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there's any sort of toxin or something

3115
02:29:25,980 --> 02:29:22,660
on it that we've run into some problems

3116
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finding somebody that has the well that

3117
02:29:30,180 --> 02:29:27,940
is willing to do the types of tests on

3118
02:29:35,220 --> 02:29:30,190
this particular artifact that need to be

3119
02:29:38,070 --> 02:29:35,230
done not touching it putting in fresh

3120
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aluminum foil wrapping it up sealing it

3121
02:29:45,060 --> 02:29:42,120
as best I could and brought it home and

3122
02:29:48,270 --> 02:29:45,070
eventually it is up this Christmas hands

3123
02:29:52,591 --> 02:29:48,280
to try to find out what what if anything

3124
02:29:55,770 --> 02:29:52,601
is on it but that was a he think that

3125
02:29:59,180 --> 02:29:55,780
was a sheep's skinwalker which is now

3126
02:30:02,730 --> 02:29:59,190
the whole of history are the

3127
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shape-shifting a pistol for Panther Kyle

3128
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to bring us to other person things like

3129
02:30:12,900 --> 02:30:08,080
that they're not rain

3130
02:30:16,530 --> 02:30:12,910
the same as what has been reported well

3131
02:30:18,960 --> 02:30:16,540
in culturally you know the youths don't

3132
02:30:23,550 --> 02:30:18,970
really have a tradition of skinwalkers

3133
02:30:25,710 --> 02:30:23,560
that's Adonai Apache you know Navajo

3134
02:30:28,469 --> 02:30:25,720
tradition if you will I've always

3135
02:30:32,730 --> 02:30:28,479
wondered about Kelleher and Knapp going

3136
02:30:34,740 --> 02:30:32,740
to Adonai descriptive term about Adonai

3137
02:30:37,770 --> 02:30:34,750
black magician when talking about a

3138
02:30:39,599 --> 02:30:37,780
ranch on a ute Indian Reservation it's

3139
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like almost talking about apples and

3140
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oranges and the fact that this kind of

3141
02:30:48,450 --> 02:30:45,609
this kind of switching of cultural

3142
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reference points from one to another

3143
02:30:53,880 --> 02:30:51,580
his subterfuge in my in my eye was felt

3144
02:30:56,400 --> 02:30:53,890
at a muddy the waters and now it's skin

3145
02:30:58,800 --> 02:30:56,410
marker this can walk with that in you

3146
02:31:00,809 --> 02:30:58,810
know the youths in the Navajo had a

3147
02:31:03,090 --> 02:31:00,819
problem with one another because the

3148
02:31:06,380 --> 02:31:03,100
Utes actually were hired by the US Army

3149
02:31:09,059 --> 02:31:06,390
has Scouts when the Army was out

3150
02:31:11,880 --> 02:31:09,069
subjugating the Navajo so you've you've

3151
02:31:16,080 --> 02:31:11,890
had an animosity there for 150 some odd

3152
02:31:18,030 --> 02:31:16,090
years almost end and this may be some

3153
02:31:19,800 --> 02:31:18,040
some paranoia on the part of the youths

3154
02:31:21,780 --> 02:31:19,810
thinking that the the Navajo is still

3155
02:31:23,849 --> 02:31:21,790
mad at him for helping out the US Army

3156
02:31:27,480 --> 02:31:23,859
subjugate them so you know I've always

3157
02:31:30,750 --> 02:31:27,490
felt that this whole application of that

3158
02:31:34,410 --> 02:31:30,760
term to that ranch has been just muddy

3159
02:31:37,050 --> 02:31:34,420
in the waters to put it politely to to

3160
02:31:39,080 --> 02:31:37,060
take the extra step it's it's it's a

3161
02:31:41,730 --> 02:31:39,090
bait and switch subterfuge tactic I

3162
02:31:46,080 --> 02:31:41,740
agree yeah I don't think it's a

3163
02:31:48,530 --> 02:31:46,090
skinwalker per se and I don't remember

3164
02:31:54,630 --> 02:31:48,540
if I showed you the list of the

3165
02:31:57,990 --> 02:31:54,640
skinwalker at the cycle yeah you did

3166
02:32:00,960 --> 02:31:58,000
it's around the corner uh on the east

3167
02:32:03,809 --> 02:32:00,970
side and it's it's up up a little higher

3168
02:32:05,370 --> 02:32:03,819
and it's almost perpetually in shadow so

3169
02:32:07,320 --> 02:32:05,380
it's very difficult to take a photograph

3170
02:32:11,250 --> 02:32:07,330
of it I did take a photo of it though

3171
02:32:12,420 --> 02:32:11,260
okay could you post about paragraphs so

3172
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people could see what we're talking

3173
02:32:16,500 --> 02:32:14,950
about I can go ahead and post all the

3174
02:32:20,639 --> 02:32:16,510
photographs that I took there at sago

3175
02:32:21,600 --> 02:32:20,649
canyon it is really in my opinion of all

3176
02:32:24,360 --> 02:32:21,610
the petroglyph site

3177
02:32:27,030 --> 02:32:24,370
that I've seen it's the one that evokes

3178
02:32:28,680 --> 02:32:27,040
the most emotional response I think in

3179
02:32:34,261 --> 02:32:28,690
him someone's standing there looking at

3180
02:32:37,700 --> 02:32:34,271
it there's little doubt I think of of

3181
02:32:41,120 --> 02:32:37,710
the purpose that may have been behind

3182
02:32:44,011 --> 02:32:41,130
you know placing that those images there

3183
02:32:47,341 --> 02:32:44,021
if those aren't guardians and protectors

3184
02:32:49,171 --> 02:32:47,351
I don't I don't know what they are yeah

3185
02:32:50,881 --> 02:32:49,181
it's something that I think all your

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investors at once they stood on their

3187
02:32:57,421 --> 02:32:54,160
bucket list and it's fairly easy to find

3188
02:33:00,660 --> 02:32:57,431
it's just east of Green River Utah right

3189
02:33:08,730 --> 02:33:00,670
off Interstate 70 it's about what two

3190
02:33:12,600 --> 02:33:08,740
miles in yeah and it's boy I'll tell you

3191
02:33:14,251 --> 02:33:12,610
it is the side that is on private

3192
02:33:16,711 --> 02:33:14,261
property I mean you can literally walk

3193
02:33:18,780 --> 02:33:16,721
right up to it and I'm surprised that

3194
02:33:21,541 --> 02:33:18,790
those those glyphs are in such pristine

3195
02:33:23,100 --> 02:33:21,551
condition there there are you know over

3196
02:33:24,270 --> 02:33:23,110
the last hundred years there's been

3197
02:33:26,251 --> 02:33:24,280
graffiti and other things that are

3198
02:33:28,890 --> 02:33:26,261
putting nearby but but people have

3199
02:33:32,310 --> 02:33:28,900
respected those images because they are

3200
02:33:34,081 --> 02:33:32,320
so powerful and so spooky for lack of a

3201
02:33:35,520 --> 02:33:34,091
better term and and I'm not surprised

3202
02:33:39,660 --> 02:33:35,530
that they're still there in a very

3203
02:33:41,700 --> 02:33:39,670
pristine condition all the producers

3204
02:33:44,730 --> 02:33:41,710
really wish they knew the secret to how

3205
02:33:49,041 --> 02:33:44,740
to make a coating that would last for

3206
02:33:53,730 --> 02:33:49,051
six seven thousand counts baby very much

3207
02:33:59,211 --> 02:33:53,740
there are channels also the pointed to

3208
02:34:02,541 --> 02:33:59,221
that are not quite as impressive but

3209
02:34:06,870 --> 02:34:02,551
tell the stories there's one that shows

3210
02:34:11,280 --> 02:34:06,880
the black black track I thought was

3211
02:34:15,301 --> 02:34:11,290
victory there's blondest shows of the

3212
02:34:17,940 --> 02:34:15,311
birth of birth mother and the birth of

3213
02:34:20,100 --> 02:34:17,950
the Harrison people how people are

3214
02:34:22,171 --> 02:34:20,110
standing around and that's called a

3215
02:34:24,390 --> 02:34:22,181
birthing stone and they always mistake

3216
02:34:28,410 --> 02:34:24,400
if they look at the other images on the

3217
02:34:30,690 --> 02:34:28,420
rock there's just a fascinating series

3218
02:34:34,950 --> 02:34:30,700
of images down here their cannon Bernie

3219
02:34:37,620 --> 02:34:34,960
who's the barzinis branch suit has

3220
02:34:39,840 --> 02:34:37,630
images on it to talk about cscope

3221
02:34:43,170 --> 02:34:39,850
landing requirements with wouldn't where

3222
02:34:45,360 --> 02:34:43,180
and how to plant and red tank draw with

3223
02:34:52,740 --> 02:34:45,370
a huge boulder filled with animals

3224
02:34:54,660 --> 02:34:52,750
screwing three years yeah that's kind of

3225
02:34:57,900 --> 02:34:54,670
part of life you know animals got amount

3226
02:34:59,850 --> 02:34:57,910
each other and make other animals so run

3227
02:35:02,490 --> 02:34:59,860
what we got to wrap this up here and

3228
02:35:04,650 --> 02:35:02,500
it's you know again are my favorite

3229
02:35:06,480 --> 02:35:04,660
shows are the most fascinating that just

3230
02:35:08,730 --> 02:35:06,490
fly by and this is this is a good

3231
02:35:11,280 --> 02:35:08,740
example of one what what what are you

3232
02:35:13,110 --> 02:35:11,290
currently working on now what's in the

3233
02:35:14,460 --> 02:35:13,120
future here we have a couple of minutes

3234
02:35:18,800 --> 02:35:14,470
for you to kind of give us a sense of

3235
02:35:23,610 --> 02:35:18,810
what what your projects are okay

3236
02:35:27,930 --> 02:35:23,620
preparing a as I said earlier book on

3237
02:35:32,190 --> 02:35:27,940
the Roswell photos and I'm also working

3238
02:35:38,460 --> 02:35:32,200
on documenting the rock writings that I

3239
02:35:41,160 --> 02:35:38,470
found and it's decided get people to

3240
02:35:44,520 --> 02:35:41,170
where they will respect them for what

3241
02:35:48,180 --> 02:35:44,530
they are instead of denigrating them in

3242
02:35:53,490 --> 02:35:48,190
the walk art like it's like a some type

3243
02:35:56,280 --> 02:35:53,500
of 2000 it is on it so they they all

3244
02:36:00,690 --> 02:35:56,290
have a spiritual component as well as

3245
02:36:03,540 --> 02:36:00,700
the temporal component to them and it's

3246
02:36:07,500 --> 02:36:03,550
important to it with especially is and

3247
02:36:10,980 --> 02:36:07,510
we have more and more electronic so look

3248
02:36:15,740 --> 02:36:10,990
back it's this was before the day of X

3249
02:36:18,480 --> 02:36:15,750
Box before the day of any type of

3250
02:36:22,440 --> 02:36:18,490
electronics level stipulation if you

3251
02:36:24,630 --> 02:36:22,450
will and my teeth overall concern and

3252
02:36:29,250 --> 02:36:24,640
one I really want to get started on soon

3253
02:36:31,650 --> 02:36:29,260
is to sit down with an elder and let

3254
02:36:35,840 --> 02:36:31,660
them just tell their stories of their

3255
02:36:39,590 --> 02:36:35,850
their nature and so that they're thought

3256
02:36:42,420 --> 02:36:39,600
that the this archive set those

3257
02:36:47,130 --> 02:36:42,430
documents video documents if you will

3258
02:36:48,770 --> 02:36:47,140
that the kids who are 10 11 five years

3259
02:36:51,110 --> 02:36:48,780
old now who have electric

3260
02:36:52,490 --> 02:36:51,120
whatsoever when they're in their 30s

3261
02:36:53,270 --> 02:36:52,500
they can say I shoulda listened to

3262
02:36:55,730 --> 02:36:53,280
grandpa

3263
02:36:58,761 --> 02:36:55,740
but pals better doesn't appear on

3264
02:37:01,461 --> 02:36:58,771
grandpa had to say hey Ron were here

3265
02:37:03,410 --> 02:37:01,471
let's kind of wrap it up here can you

3266
02:37:05,091 --> 02:37:03,420
tell our listeners where we can find

3267
02:37:07,400 --> 02:37:05,101
more of the things you're working on I

3268
02:37:09,310 --> 02:37:07,410
wish I had a website I don't but maybe

3269
02:37:12,890 --> 02:37:09,320
that's something I should start working

3270
02:37:15,261 --> 02:37:12,900
but I'd say yes be patient list of the

3271
02:37:18,950 --> 02:37:15,271
fair cast and what I will do as soon as

3272
02:37:22,040 --> 02:37:18,960
I come up with either a website or my

3273
02:37:25,400 --> 02:37:22,050
book I'll let Chris know or judo and

3274
02:37:26,961 --> 02:37:25,410
we'll we'll put it on the fair cast the

3275
02:37:30,560 --> 02:37:26,971
right height I thought we had a web page

3276
02:37:33,830 --> 02:37:30,570
up is he doing stuff instead of talking

3277
02:37:35,720 --> 02:37:33,840
about the I know about stuff speaking of

3278
02:37:38,150 --> 02:37:35,730
stuff we have free stuff for you by the

3279
02:37:39,740 --> 02:37:38,160
way we can get you a copy of secrets of

3280
02:37:42,350 --> 02:37:39,750
the mysterious valley from Chris O'Brien

3281
02:37:45,051 --> 02:37:42,360
it's an ebook version and here's how to

3282
02:37:47,961 --> 02:37:45,061
get your copy go to the para cast comm

3283
02:37:50,540 --> 02:37:47,971
that's the power cast calm front in the

3284
02:37:53,211 --> 02:37:50,550
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3285
02:37:55,341 --> 02:37:53,221
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3286
02:37:57,881 --> 02:37:55,351
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3287
02:38:01,640 --> 02:37:57,891
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3288
02:38:03,290 --> 02:38:01,650
subscribe free we send you a link to the

3289
02:38:05,540 --> 02:38:03,300
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3290
02:38:08,751 --> 02:38:05,550
mysterious valley you can also find us

3291
02:38:11,180 --> 02:38:08,761
on twitter at the power cast we're the

3292
02:38:14,660 --> 02:38:11,190
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3293
02:38:17,330 --> 02:38:14,670
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3294
02:38:20,180 --> 02:38:17,340
clips don't ask me how that started

3295
02:38:23,030 --> 02:38:20,190
Chris's own site is our strange planet

3296
02:38:25,131 --> 02:38:23,040
calm that's our strange planet calm he's

3297
02:38:27,860 --> 02:38:25,141
done some great updates lately on a new

3298
02:38:30,890 --> 02:38:27,870
cattle mutilation case and if you buy a

3299
02:38:33,080 --> 02:38:30,900
copy of his latest book stalking the

3300
02:38:36,680 --> 02:38:33,090
herd from the site he by the print

3301
02:38:37,679 --> 02:38:36,690
edition he signs it he numbers it until

3302
02:38:40,290 --> 02:38:37,689
the pen

3303
02:38:40,859 --> 02:38:40,300
loses ink but he's got extra pens so

3304
02:38:43,349 --> 02:38:40,869
it's okay

3305
02:38:54,051 --> 02:38:43,359
Ron Regehr thanks for joining us on the

3306
02:38:58,610 --> 02:38:56,841
the para cast featuring Jim Steinberg

3307
02:39:01,730 --> 02:38:58,620
and Christopher o'brien

3308
02:39:05,511 --> 02:39:01,740
is a copyrighted presentation of making

3309
02:39:09,501 --> 02:39:05,521
the impossible Incorporated tune in next

3310
02:39:12,880 --> 02:39:09,511
week for a new adventure in the para